@Deleted User Late to this discussion, but I agree with you. Saying America is responsible for the factors contributing to Europe's decline is like saying Russia is responsible for Bolshevism.

@XI Palaeologus they both serve as the host.

Two commonalities between the two of them: jew controlled and a threat to the aryan (white European) race.

It's funny how Faye puts America in the same category as Islamic nations.

As if it was white Americans who pushed Marxism onto the masses.

The "melting pot" metaphor to describe America was created by a man literally named Israel in 1908.

Israel Zangwill in his 1917 play created the term right?

about the Russian Jewish immigrant to America?

Yes, this fellow white right here:

dapper fellow

Honestly, his connections between the US using Muslims to keep Europe's power in check is an interesting theory, but of course we know the connections that Faye won't mention

However, we DO do that.... the US spreads Muslims around for little justification

We also have a pretty massive influence as a hegemonic entity of pushing diversity culture into Europe

He speaks more of governing bodies than populations

^^^^ what happened to the merchant reaction? Because thats who the feenchman wont name.

This server doesn't have it's own reactions yet.

Americans did spread diversity culture, but that culture was a result of European philosophies that originated before America was even founded.

Very true. Also, I don't think we want to be overly preoccupied with assigning moral blame to jews. If you let parasites manipulate and subvert your culture you can't really blame them for doing that. Jews are just acting in accordance with their nature and their collective interests. We need to look at the reasons why our culture has been unwilling to do the same. Faye and other French New Right thinkers are extremely useful in this regard.

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I also think it's worth emphasizing that if you are singularly focused on the JQ then you are probably not going to like Faye. I think most of us will find that Faye's approach to the JQ has its problems. While critiques of Faye from this perspective are valid, i would recommend people think about why he takes the positions he does rather than just continually point at the JQ because trust me that will get tiresome. I only say this because I've noticed a lot of discussions of Faye end up going in this direction.

These philosophies were writen in monolithic societies with monolythic audiences. Much like the Bible, modern Europeans are taking these teachings and applying them to out groups.

It was never intended to be this way & it is destroying us. Hyper altruism, ethnic masochism and the lack of a will to survive is driving it.

And to a degree Faye likely understands that directly going after that group would require energies in conversations he would rather not focus on

The JQ is an easy way to open yourself up to attacks and conversations structured to trap you in the "white nationalist ghetto"

The New Right in Europe would rather not have that conversation

We can attack the systems of oppression that have been set in place to oppress us, and prosecute those who are guilty, which will inevitably lead us to our "J controllers". Once their mechanisms are dismantled, those of us who have the answer to the JQ can wage a silent war against these people and expose them for what they are so we can be certain that they are never permitted to return to ANY western civilization.

I was listening to the the Tara McCarthy debate with Styxhexenhammer yesterday, and he proposed that an identitarian movement isn't necessary for us to fix our society. That is bullshit. The destruction of our ethnic cohesion is a huge weapon that has been leveled against westernkind, and if we do not repair the damage, we may be vulnerable to divide and conquer tactics by the same elitists in the future. I dont know about you goys, but I dont want this same bullshit repeated during the lifetime of my grandchildren....

The only issue I see with not naming them, is that when we attack their mechanisms of oppression, they retain credibility to counter those attacks perpetually; which we've seen over and over again. It's a tough strategic question that I'm still on the fence about. I think the merit of naming them, while it's a much steeper uphill battle, is being able to discredit their defense of these mechanisms.

Not to mention the labyrinthine political understanding required to surgically attack these mechanisms may be beyond the average citizen, rather than giving them a single, simplified focal point of an enemy.

I agree.
Let's say that we actually manage to drain the swamp, and for the sake of this example, we prosecute 1000 high powered elitists, and 500 of them are sems. It would be a great opportunity to make a case to Westernkind that perhaps there is a concerted effort by this specific demographic to undermine our authority. The problem I see is that, if this country is still hyper-individualistic, they will have a very hard time digesting that another demographic of people has been working against us systematically and cohesively. This is one major reason why we need an identitarian movement in the West. We need our people to remember how ethnic group strategies work if we are to convince them of the validity of what we have surmised to be the true threat.

It's a bitch of a catch 22

To keep trudging forward in both directions as we basically have been seems to be the only answer. I do see progress.

Disgenics can work in our favor. Hopefully the degens will stop breeding and purge themselves from our society, leaving the worthy to pick the torch back up where we left it.

Yeah but women don't operate like males

Good women can be led very much astray

*moment of silence*

All he needed to do was write (((America))) instead of America. I mean, we all know what he is saying.

Hey guys, sorry I haven't been active in this server the last week. I've come down with the flu - which is making its rounds at my work - but have finished about halfway of Why We Fight, and look forward to discussing its content this Sunday.

For those who don't know, we are reading Why We Fight by Guillaume Faye. We plan to read about 50 pages or so a week and discuss what we've read and learned every Sunday.

If you have any questions or are unable to obtain a copy of the book, please send me a message!

@everyone

@CarletonJ have we selected a time to discuss? Would 10pm EST work?

Is this something you guys would want to voice chat about or just message within this channel? If we message within the channel, it allows everyone to contribute over time and saves our discussion. Doing it over voice chat may be more enjoyable but then we might lack participation.

We can do both