>18 billion dollars to give illegals healthcare

Yeah, hows about stripping that and diverting the funds to the projects AND the wall? I suppose it'd be a start....

They need those illegals though.

For votes

Hell, even put that money back into Social Programs

Yeah, that's for sure

And to sustain the welfare state

Many people get annoyed when I bring that part up so I’m kinda testing the water^^

The left wants votes and the right wants people. Both to work for cheap, and also to fill the replacement rate.

That's true.

Whenever I debate the Alt Right types I always ask, “isn’t Japan your dream? Why not move there.” They say yes of course. Then I ask “What’s Japan’s fertility rate again?”.

Crickets

And what do you know, Japan is expanding its guest worker programs.. totally secure borders, Japan first!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-26/japan-has-a-new-guest-worker-program-just-don-t-call-it-an-immigration-policy

TBF

they seem to be mostly accepting Asians via those guest worker programs

Until they need more people. Again, they’re not Japanese and the Japanese are already highly xenophobic to pretty much anyone who isn’t Japanese’s regardless of if you’re Asian as well.

theres an entire country filled to the brim with asian people who want to move to Japan

@MCM 💯 the USA?

philippines

Ah.

anything to get away from Duterte, I suppose

Oh well, Japan will be fine, so I’ve been told

Yeah, until they start importing people from Africa or the ME

or until China decides to do some sneaky shit

(and they no doubt **will** do some sneaky shit by taking advantage of those programs)

Oh of course

But Japan will be fine. They have the ‘technology’ to be fine

Thats a legit argument someone used. Their technology will save them

lmao

yeah

how? better dating sites?

Anyways, it IS only a limited-time visa that the workers are on

(something like 5 years)

It wasn’t long until they started calling me a Jew shill, or a low IQ mutt, since I’m Australian

Oh, that doesn’t matter. They’ll keep importing in order to fund their welfare state..

They just won’t call it ‘importing’

White Aussie or Abo?

I’d rather not say

lmao

If you ever hear my voice you’ll be able to guess anyways

I don’t think it matters anyway

https://youtu.be/XDUEbzWed7U

i love how the articles from the media are like "he's only built X amount of wall in 2 and a half years" like "oh gee how inefficient", when they know damn well the reason more hasnt been built is because of all the resistance to it, that they themselves whipped into a furvor

true, but i dont believe it'll ever be built and im more than welcome to be proven wrong, and have the 'i told you so dance' danced in front me

~~Same with Brexit~~

its because the brits 'wont take a no deal' so they have no leverage

just fucking leave already!

Kind of hard to enforce the will of the people when they have no guns

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

guns are my big thing

its why i hate living here

sorry, im not trying to be a dick, im just sayin

I'd bring a container ship of AR-15s to the British people if I had the means

Just call me Father Christmas bringing you the gift of freedom!!!

I have that, right? Father Christmas, the brits call Santa Claus, Father Christmas??

I get the argument against guns in the UK though. I live in the lower class so I see the kind of absolute scumbags who wouldnt hesitate to shoot/stab people

but I still wish I had a gun

lots of robberies in my area

thing is this, crime would go up at first, as the criminals are emboldened with their new found power

then they would die because the citizens would learn to shoot back

then crime would plummet again

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thank you so much

wish we didn't have a gun buyback in austtralia, now its corrupt

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@MCM 💯 Also your country is just blatantly ignoring democracy when it suits them

my personal take is this, on one hand there NEEDS to be a global revolution for the citizens of ALL countries, espeically the NATO ones to take their rights back from the Oligarchs. On the other hand, the Oligarchs might be crazy enough to just do a scorched Earth policy and nuke everything.

the question is: could the people move fast enough and eliminate them before they do that.

the oligarchs would never scorched earth nuke everything

would enough of the command infrastructure hesistat or resist in such a scenario

they need that serf life. serf's up dude!

i dont know man, Narcissists hate to lose more then fear of death

the reason they wont is because they need the 'bottom' people to work the land and whatnot

im not saying all of them, but the right number could potentially be in a position to just make the victory as pyrrhic as possible

I get what you mean, and that's in a normal scenario, the ocassional uprising, quell and subvert

but im talking about global revolution, the bottom showing no signs of stopping

then they lose power and the people elect someone else to lay all the blame on. remember napoleon?

even if it's a bandwagon effect, the oligarchs staring down actually losing it all

the 'people' will win, for now until we get robots to quell uprisings

i do, but what specifically are you referring

remember when the french revolution was all about beheading the aristocracy, and getting freedom and democracy by force?

yeah

until democracy fails (like it always does) and they elect another super tyrant to blame. Napoleon

same could be said for Hitler in a way too i guess

that's why the founding fathers of US didnt insitute a democracy per se

that's right. a republic which restricted the franchise of voters to those who were responsible\

land owners

then something happened in 1920, and we have this mess

not gonna say what happened during that time, but a certain someone who never earned the right to vote, sort of just 'got it'

nah nah, it's never just one thing, that's honestly too easy of a solution.

is it?

IS IT!?

it's always a series of small things, operating in tempo

yes

1913. the fed was created, and the federal income tax system

Okay, guess we'll never solve the problem then

which in turn shifted the way money flows in the US away from the states

it used to go, Citizen - STATE - Federal

and the states determined how much money the federal was allowed to have

now it's Citizen - FEDERAL - State

and the states have to essentially beg for their own money in the form of the federal subsidy

I agree

Direct Unapportioned taxes, as they are in the Federal Income Tax are Illegal according to the US constitution

however, i believe the looming issue lies in unbridled democracy

however, it's always been upheld in court

of course, those courts were always federal court, so no fucking surprise there

It's unbridled democracy, combined with ignorance, propaganda and demegogory

federal courts are like the rest of the government... massively overreaching their mandate.

the people doing the voting are too stupid to realize they are voting away their own futures, freedoms and self determination

we need a net taxpayer votes for congress, and the veterans and soldiers that can meet the male standard vote for the president

and the citizens vote for their own state governors i guess

that way no one can lobby without losing their rights to being anet taxpayer and thus the stupid law or policy they lobbied can be repealed or remended by the sensible net taxpayers

and while I don't believe that we should go back in time with regards to women/people of color/etc being able to vote on those factors, I do think you shouldnt be allowed to vote unless you can pass a basic civics course

the ability to vote can be more devestating or rewarding than a gun

women and colored people can vote congress if they're net taxpayers, same with the president if you can meet the male standard

no racism or sexism here

I had to take gun safety, driver's ed and training courses on operating a power loader and fork lift

you should have to take a class and pass to be able to vote

true equality of opportunity

and Why is that you might ask? Because all of those things are extremely dangerous tools in the hands of an ignorant

people are too scared or haven't felt enough pain i guess

#repealthe19th

it's complacentcy

i think you're being too focused on one group of people

nope

im a woman anyways

none of these problems you put forward can be solved whilst women can vote (without earning it)

you don't have to qualify your beliefs with that, I mean I get that you believe what you believe and I respect that

the thing is, that presumes that there aren't men who "haven't earned it" on the basis they are men

exactly. men who aren't net taxpayers Should ALSO not be allowed to vote for congress

and I think we all know that isn't true, there are certainly a plethora of people who quote "havent earned it"

however what did men do to earn the right to vote in the first place?

well they built the system in the first place for one

create the democratic system?

then tell me if women did as much or more than what men did to earn the same thing

no

no im pretty sure that's part of it

😛

sorry, just being funny, continue

they actually earned the right to vote by fighting in the revolutionary war

oh, I thought you meant WAAAAy back

like roman times

oh yeah, the greeks and romans still had slaves, so i dont consider them true democracies anyways

but yeah that'd be confusing sorry

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same. kinda

take a number

I would personally like to know how the bot knows when you've been enough of a good boy or girl it lets you in

but yeah, the founding fathers literally bribed the men with the right to vote if they fought the british

i could use such a thing on the server I admin

since, they had no money

How is that a bribe?

all women did was bitch and moan that they didn't get to vote and poof! they got it for literally nothing

@jacovich stabs because people didn't want to fight the british until they were offered political power

I mean true, there was alot of wheeling and dealing

they never earned, and they still have not shown anything that lets them deserve it

as John Adams said about the challenge of getting all the colonies to work together was akin to getting 13 clocks to all strike midnight at the same time

woman here: I agree

A bribe is where you offer someone something of value in order for them to abuse their position of power by doing something immoral. Fighting against tyranny is not immoral.

I digress. the point is, democracy fails

Mad respect to Adams

While Washington was the obvious choice given that he fought in the damn war, Adams was really America's first real president

props to Jefferson too, even if he did have a habit of sleeping with the help. 🤣

@jacovich stabs the founding fathers dishonestly persuaded the then american populace to act in their favour with political power. Bribe

How was it dishonest?

yeah, Bribary usually requires an intent of dishonesty or illegality to be considered Bribary

otherwise it's just Enticement

true, they weren't dishonest about it, but they were dishonest about other things in line with their republic (all men are created equal yet some of us still have slaves)

you got me

im a liar

again that goes back to the 13 clocks statement

the northern colonies NEEDED Virgina and the Carolinas

they wouldnt have gotten that if they abolished slavery right then and there

Seems to me that they just told everyone that they should fight for them because, among other things, they'd honour their civic right to vote.

and the fact that both Jefferon, AND Adams lemented and debated that decision to NOT abolish slavery, but understood it was a required concession to win the war

the hope was they would abolish after things had stabilized

well then the french revolution happened

then the spanish

and so on

freedom making waves

point was they never got the chance to do it themselves

and they wanted it

see while, I know many people read up and admire Washington and Franklin, because they were the giants

Adams and Jefferson were straight gansta

I like Adams a lot

I really wish I could go back in time and get to know those guys

anyways, unless women pay net taxes and go to war they should neither vote for congress or president. same goes for men

but many women today DO pay net taxes and go to war

many?

run that by me one more time

Jefferson refrained from including the right to private property in the final draft of the declaration of independence because he knew it would have been interpreted as a justification for slavery. He replaced it with the right to the pursuit of happiness.
I see why he did it and it was probably the right move at the time but man, imagine a country where property laws were enshrined in the constitution. It would be pretty epic.

there are a fair amount of women in the armed services and who are landowners and entrepreneurs

@jacovich stabs well to be fair, Jefferson didnt edit the document himself, he had both Franklin and Adams there, and again, they removed the slavery abolishment thing as the concession to keep Virgina and the Carolinas on their side

being a beneficiary of the taxes discredits you as a net taxpayer btw

so if I get a tax return, I'm not a net tax payer?

It was an early draft that had the right to private property crossed out and I think it was Jefferson who was working on that draft.

depends. are you on any kind of social/welfare

Does WIC count?

if you payed more than you put into the system, that makes you a net taxpayer

Because while I can afford Med insurance for me and my wife, I can't afford it for my newborn son, sadly

you can get a tax return that is less than what you put in, thus making you a NTP

im not familiar with WIC

basically food stamps and social benefits for children of families who can't afford to take care of them, at least in principle

Then, I guess it does, since it likely taking taxes in order to fund itself

So even though I pay my taxes, my wife works and pays her taxes, I pay an extra $700 a month for medical insurance, 15 a month for dental for her and myself, the fact that I have to bite the bullet and take social assitance for my new son makes no longer a Net Tax Payer?

however, if you're paying a large sum of taxes maybe you are a NTP

I assume, once your son grows up and no longer needs the assistance, you'll definitely be a NTP

I'm pretty sure despite that, I already am an NTP

I've paid alot of money to a government that I know is corrupt, with money I know doesnt even pay for the roads going directly into the pockets of private globalist bankers

my current worry is that there won't BE a world for my son to grow up in

that he might be the first in a new generation that will basically be living Fallout style

I sent an image to you directly, did you get it? how old is your son, if you don't mind me asking

6 weeks

hmmmm

im kinda worried about if there'll be a world in the near future too

hell at the rate it's speeding up **I** might be seeing it

and if Ron Perlman shows up to narriate, we're really fucked

😛

yep yep

Because war..... War never changes....

Hello everypony!

@AgentExeider I have a video for you to watch if you'd like? since I'm not exactly an expert on American politics and feel it'd be better if it was explained by someone a lot better at explaining than me. It even has @AydinPaladin

LOL

I forgot the US annexes Canada

shit I never DID finish Fallout 4

Retard. This has been known since at least fallout 3.

oh that was fallout 1 they said that

Ron says it in the intro

I just noted in a related thought I never did finish Fallout 4

Never played 1 or 2 so I wouldn't know. Just doing from what I knew. Ah

anywho, I gotta go goodbye frens

Oh boy I can't wait to play that new capital wasteland mo- Oh..

Why Todd ;-;

War is always changing, @AgentExeider.

I didn't realize Undoomed was here as well.

@Venerable Enginseer Jaqus-C93 tale of two wastelands mod ftw

It basically merges the stories of the vault dweller from 101 with the courier from new vegas

What's up niggers

@AgentExeider, if you desire lowered taxation, then vote for candidates looking toward auctioning off those inefficiently managed, public assets, to create more jobs, new markets, and eliminating the unionist leeches, who like the scum they are, syphon off every dollar you'll pay throughout the year, during a workday in which they're paid for 12 hours of labor, though only engage in 1 hour. Once people relearn these lessons we've had to observe time and again, the current account deficits, of which artificially inflate the value of the USD, would be resolved, thereby making our goods and services more affordable to foreign consumers, propping up domestic industry and slashing foreign reliance. However, this weakens our reserve status, as current account deficits are required for banks to have an interest in holding your debt and dollars in reserve, because you obviously must finance it.

@Jeremy we are nothing but a nation of debt at this point lmao

But muh federal reserve

I wouldn't go as far as saying that. We do have a large national debt, but it won't be defaulted on.

Debt has a different meaning everywhere you go.

Whether or not the debts owed are toward efficient investments justifying the former is the question.

By definition the debt cannot be paid back

Debt is based off principle and interest and every dollar in the money supply is principle

Of course it can be paid back, but no one in their right mind would want to.

Lol.

No it cant, since if the principle was paid off, no money would exist, so where dies the money to pay the interest cone from

We're not at that point, yet. We've still got another 50 or so years, that is, before we're unable to make payments toward the principle.