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sorry, just being funny, continue
they actually earned the right to vote by fighting in the revolutionary war
oh, I thought you meant WAAAAy back
like roman times
oh yeah, the greeks and romans still had slaves, so i dont consider them true democracies anyways
but yeah that'd be confusing sorry
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same. kinda
take a number
I would personally like to know how the bot knows when you've been enough of a good boy or girl it lets you in
but yeah, the founding fathers literally bribed the men with the right to vote if they fought the british
i could use such a thing on the server I admin
since, they had no money
How is that a bribe?
all women did was bitch and moan that they didn't get to vote and poof! they got it for literally nothing
@jacovich stabs because people didn't want to fight the british until they were offered political power
I mean true, there was alot of wheeling and dealing
they never earned, and they still have not shown anything that lets them deserve it
as John Adams said about the challenge of getting all the colonies to work together was akin to getting 13 clocks to all strike midnight at the same time
A bribe is where you offer someone something of value in order for them to abuse their position of power by doing something immoral. Fighting against tyranny is not immoral.
I digress. the point is, democracy fails
Mad respect to Adams
While Washington was the obvious choice given that he fought in the damn war, Adams was really America's first real president
props to Jefferson too, even if he did have a habit of sleeping with the help. 🤣
@jacovich stabs the founding fathers dishonestly persuaded the then american populace to act in their favour with political power. Bribe
How was it dishonest?
yeah, Bribary usually requires an intent of dishonesty or illegality to be considered Bribary
otherwise it's just Enticement
true, they weren't dishonest about it, but they were dishonest about other things in line with their republic (all men are created equal yet some of us still have slaves)
you got me
im a liar
again that goes back to the 13 clocks statement
the northern colonies NEEDED Virgina and the Carolinas
they wouldnt have gotten that if they abolished slavery right then and there
Seems to me that they just told everyone that they should fight for them because, among other things, they'd honour their civic right to vote.
and the fact that both Jefferon, AND Adams lemented and debated that decision to NOT abolish slavery, but understood it was a required concession to win the war
the hope was they would abolish after things had stabilized
well then the french revolution happened
then the spanish