@jacovich stabs because people didn't want to fight the british until they were offered political power

I mean true, there was alot of wheeling and dealing

they never earned, and they still have not shown anything that lets them deserve it

as John Adams said about the challenge of getting all the colonies to work together was akin to getting 13 clocks to all strike midnight at the same time

woman here: I agree

A bribe is where you offer someone something of value in order for them to abuse their position of power by doing something immoral. Fighting against tyranny is not immoral.

I digress. the point is, democracy fails

Mad respect to Adams

While Washington was the obvious choice given that he fought in the damn war, Adams was really America's first real president

props to Jefferson too, even if he did have a habit of sleeping with the help. 🤣

@jacovich stabs the founding fathers dishonestly persuaded the then american populace to act in their favour with political power. Bribe

How was it dishonest?

yeah, Bribary usually requires an intent of dishonesty or illegality to be considered Bribary

otherwise it's just Enticement

true, they weren't dishonest about it, but they were dishonest about other things in line with their republic (all men are created equal yet some of us still have slaves)

you got me

im a liar

again that goes back to the 13 clocks statement

the northern colonies NEEDED Virgina and the Carolinas

they wouldnt have gotten that if they abolished slavery right then and there

Seems to me that they just told everyone that they should fight for them because, among other things, they'd honour their civic right to vote.

and the fact that both Jefferon, AND Adams lemented and debated that decision to NOT abolish slavery, but understood it was a required concession to win the war

the hope was they would abolish after things had stabilized

well then the french revolution happened

then the spanish

and so on

freedom making waves

point was they never got the chance to do it themselves

and they wanted it

see while, I know many people read up and admire Washington and Franklin, because they were the giants

Adams and Jefferson were straight gansta

I like Adams a lot

I really wish I could go back in time and get to know those guys

anyways, unless women pay net taxes and go to war they should neither vote for congress or president. same goes for men

but many women today DO pay net taxes and go to war

many?

run that by me one more time

Jefferson refrained from including the right to private property in the final draft of the declaration of independence because he knew it would have been interpreted as a justification for slavery. He replaced it with the right to the pursuit of happiness.
I see why he did it and it was probably the right move at the time but man, imagine a country where property laws were enshrined in the constitution. It would be pretty epic.

there are a fair amount of women in the armed services and who are landowners and entrepreneurs

@jacovich stabs well to be fair, Jefferson didnt edit the document himself, he had both Franklin and Adams there, and again, they removed the slavery abolishment thing as the concession to keep Virgina and the Carolinas on their side

being a beneficiary of the taxes discredits you as a net taxpayer btw