the chances of that are incredibly slim

Well if the farmers are losing money

And can no longer stay in business...

Then what is keeping them there?

the us has some of the best farming land in the world, we are some of the biggest producers, our produce is superior in quality too

I wouldn't say that

It's certainly larger in many cases, but the flavour I find to be off in many things.

Like the tomatoes.

The tomatoes have a weirdly... Grainy texture.

And they're hard to break down.

Thank you Kanye, very cool!

I was cooking with some California tomatoes and they were strange, parts were so tough that after 2 hours of cooking they were still hard.

✊

then you are getting the garbage tomatoes

The quantity and consistency of the produce is to be praised, I guess.

Well, I got them in season, and they were from California...

I get amazing produce here in california

I found the flavour lacking, and the toughness strange.

best produce in the world

They certainly looked nice.

way better than anywhere else I

*i've been

That's debatable

I think a farm that breeds for flavour would be much better.

Those are rare though.

ok, not the literal best. just in general

Well that's just due to the climate.

The growing zone.

The produce doesn't need to be bred to be hardy

Strange how the breeding process often has such an effect on the flavour.

that's what I'm saying. America has great zones for farming

To bad you squander it with poisons.

I believe subsidies encourage bad distribution of resources though

Also lack of crop rotation.

too much corn

too much soy

Sometimes that's all that will grow

government guarantees them money no matter if they over produce

that means they have no incentive to be careful with the land

Well, sounds like their own decisions.

Not the fault of the Government.

might as well exploit it to the maximum amount to get as much out of the government as possible

That's a fault of the people.

it is in their self interest to do it

Yes

So it's greed, ultimately, that is the issue.

government has given them perverse incentives

Would you take the subsidies away and have the farmers just say it isn't worth it?

doesn't even have to be greed

They can't strike, but they can certainly retire.

if you could make a guaranteed amount of money now for greater security in the future, why wouldn't you do it?

It sounds like it is the people that are the problem, not the other way round.

Why's not be in favor of a more structured system?

it is in their own self interest

^

With more thought into it than "*Money.* **Money** ***Money!***"

They have to put their part in the system structure.

why not remove the perverse incentives, let farming fix itself by allowing farmers providing what people actually want

Because if they just do the same thing?

And make money exporting?

China and Japan love soybeans.

they couldn't, because over producing provides diminishing returns without a guaranteed amount fro the government

The grocer's there would most likely jump on cheap soy.

And

they can buy the cheap soy now

The land is already in rough shape.

It could take years to restore the top soil.

What do the farmers do in the time it takes to change the composition to something else?

yeah, and the government is the one responsible for the incentive structures they have put in place

That's not true.

The people didn't ***have*** to take advantage.

They actively chose that path.

if they didn't they would be stupid

By their own will and thought.

So it is their fault

You're saying humans can not help, but take advantage of anything even though they understand they are doing wrong?

one option ispossibility of loss the other is a guaranteed amount of money from the government

Again, is that the fault of the government?

yes

Or is it the people?

government doesn't need to do that

government is encouraging them to do that

If I have a family and home I will always go for the more secure income

Well maybe there is a reason they started.

Probably because people started to aggregate in the cities.

Leaving their farms and such.

Aging labour force.

it was started with the idea that we need to keep farmers from being hurt by losss

I think it would be fun to see what happens.

So I'm all for it, honestly.

"Farming will fix itself"

all for what

"Security will secure itself"

That's a quote from our PM

not even remotely similar quotes

When there was a breach in our spy and intelligence agency.

It's the same concept.

Just leave it alone and it will happen

I think it would be fun to see how it would play out.

no it would be the same if it said the people or community will secure itself

Well, security is people.

no it isn't

So if you just leave the security force alone.

It'll just behave, right?

If you never think about a problem it just goes away.

Would you remove the law that says farmers can't strike too?

Or be in favour of removing it?

look you are talking about a corrupt institution self policing by doing nothing, I'm talking a group who have an external distorting force performing better without it

I'm not, I'm saying if you just leave something alone it just happens.

Because that's your solution to farmers ails.

Just take the subsidies and leave them alone.

if you leave certain things alone they self correct, yes

So how do you prevent farmers from packing up if it isn't worth it?

I want some farmers to pack up. I think we have too much farming

Okay, but what about the farmers that actually use the subsidies to mark their produce down?

And then they need to either produce more, or they need to charge more.

let them raise the price, perhaps americans will stop eating so much

Okay...

That won't happen, and if the store can import for cheaper...

let them

why not?

Haha.

You're funny.

"Just let domestic farming die if it doesn't work."

it won't die

I know, I was just saying it would suffer.

I don't see why the current farming industry suffering is a bad thing

it is unsustainable

Well you're simultaneously saying it is not their fault, but also saying that they need to take responsibility...

Which is it?

yes, because government currently is taking the responsibility

they need to take responsibility from the government

Okay, but if they go from making 75000, to 50000, and decide it isn't worth it to continue anymore?

75000 is the median salary of farmers and ranchers.

So they don't make a lot of money for what they do.

median.....

Average whatever.

yeah some on the lower end might quit

so what

Well...

In times of war

It's difficult to import.

At times.

we far over produce

it isn't a problem

Yes, people so that because it works for them.

If it didn't, they wouldn't do it

I don't follow

what is your point?

Oh, I'm just trying to get you to answer my questions.

Because you're very unclear.

sorry

I do have that problem

And contradictory.

no

It isn't the fault of the farmer it is the fault of the government!

But on the other hand you also think farmers need to be punished in some way.

But you're punishing for something that isn't their fault.

yeah and is the fault of people for thinking it is the government's responsibility to solve

why do you think I want them punished?

what punishment?

Well you said that they should suffer.

That's just for your own delight then?

oh lol

It's not too teach them a valuable lesson by positive/negative reinforcement.

suffer as in financially

Exempli Gratia: punishment.

so that they can make better choices

the money they make will be the evidence they are doing something better

That's both positive and negative reinforcement.

that is the point of the free market

Then Canada, or China takes up a huge portion of your domestic market.

Woops.

Sorry thousands of people that are now out of a job.

We do not have too much farming we have too many fags literally sucking dick

that is a much more pressing issue @iwantfun

Yes, the need to feed a nation of 300000000 is much more trivial than that.

the nation isn't going to starve

you are being hyperbolic

farming has survived for millennia without subsidies

So got banned

Server got banned

Reee

what server?

Acropolis

didn't Mussolini want to convince Hitler about accepting Italians as part of the Aryan race or something?

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-jewish-farage-brexit-698486

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I've always said Farage is an opportunistic snake

Brexit is just an excuse for a different group of cronies to further their business interests

their interests are not the best interests for Europe and the UK though

@otterlycorrect The virgin Mussolini versus the chad Peron

meme it

Of course frank is shit talking farage when he exposes the tribe, typical

Based boy farage

Farage is /ourguy/

imagine thinking that jews and americans are mutually exclusive

They're interchangable, really.

bless farage with all the shekels

@Khat Emperor Begone dutch cancer dog

Slay a mestizio japdoge wherever you may find him!

Takhbir!

Allah's plan

^

Tfw can't change nickname

@icantcodeforshit.cs what do u want

"Dutch Fries" please

If you have those rights

That's what I'm assuming lol

@icantcodeforshit.cs

Thank you

Ew

Socialism supreme

Everyone should eat dutch fries

You mean freedom fries 😏

Some degen in another chat said abortion is justified after birth <:WhatDid:459545655527079946><:ToMyDrink:459545654323314710>

That's sarcasm

?

welcome to the atheist experience give me scientific proof for god haha u can't tune it next week

Hey

why do people hate muslims 🤔

genuine question

their turbans make them look like a god damn peepee

I consider that an enhancement

@Deleted User Inbreeding rates

Low IQ

More hostile

Can't form a clean society widely

The Arab golden age is over

those are Americans

I think arabs can be almost on equal footing to Europeans of they have another golden age

also it's the islamic golden age

Iranians for example

Are Aryan

ethnically they're called Persians

A r y a n

I mean, yeah sure Iran is supreme

Assad is pretty fucking cool aswell

based Assad

so you're a fan of the resistance axis huh?

Middle East has potential

But it's not there

But Israel needs to belong to Christ

Not the Jews or Arabs

It should be a Christian Monarchy

As the Bible says

the Jews just abuse their privileges as Israel tbh

brb

Israel manipulates the U.S so fucking much