Message from @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿

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2018-09-19 04:52:50 UTC  

Well, sounds like their own decisions.

2018-09-19 04:52:58 UTC  

Not the fault of the Government.

2018-09-19 04:52:58 UTC  

might as well exploit it to the maximum amount to get as much out of the government as possible

2018-09-19 04:53:16 UTC  

That's a fault of the people.

2018-09-19 04:53:28 UTC  

it is in their self interest to do it

2018-09-19 04:53:34 UTC  

Yes

2018-09-19 04:53:49 UTC  

So it's greed, ultimately, that is the issue.

2018-09-19 04:53:54 UTC  

government has given them perverse incentives

2018-09-19 04:54:06 UTC  

Would you take the subsidies away and have the farmers just say it isn't worth it?

2018-09-19 04:54:15 UTC  

doesn't even have to be greed

2018-09-19 04:54:27 UTC  

They can't strike, but they can certainly retire.

2018-09-19 04:55:11 UTC  

if you could make a guaranteed amount of money now for greater security in the future, why wouldn't you do it?

2018-09-19 04:55:12 UTC  

It sounds like it is the people that are the problem, not the other way round.

2018-09-19 04:55:42 UTC  

Why's not be in favor of a more structured system?

2018-09-19 04:55:46 UTC  

it is in their own self interest

2018-09-19 04:56:30 UTC  

^

2018-09-19 04:56:46 UTC  

With more thought into it than "*Money.* **Money** ***Money!***"

2018-09-19 04:56:49 UTC  

They have to put their part in the system structure.

2018-09-19 04:56:50 UTC  

why not remove the perverse incentives, let farming fix itself by allowing farmers providing what people actually want

2018-09-19 04:57:30 UTC  

Because if they just do the same thing?

2018-09-19 04:57:40 UTC  

And make money exporting?

2018-09-19 04:57:53 UTC  

China and Japan love soybeans.

2018-09-19 04:58:22 UTC  

they couldn't, because over producing provides diminishing returns without a guaranteed amount fro the government

2018-09-19 04:58:24 UTC  

The grocer's there would most likely jump on cheap soy.

2018-09-19 04:58:48 UTC  

And

2018-09-19 04:59:03 UTC  

they can buy the cheap soy now

2018-09-19 04:59:04 UTC  

The land is already in rough shape.

2018-09-19 04:59:15 UTC  

It could take years to restore the top soil.

2018-09-19 04:59:43 UTC  

What do the farmers do in the time it takes to change the composition to something else?

2018-09-19 04:59:58 UTC  

yeah, and the government is the one responsible for the incentive structures they have put in place

2018-09-19 05:00:08 UTC  

That's not true.

2018-09-19 05:00:20 UTC  

The people didn't ***have*** to take advantage.

2018-09-19 05:00:33 UTC  

They actively chose that path.

2018-09-19 05:00:35 UTC  

if they didn't they would be stupid

2018-09-19 05:00:43 UTC  

By their own will and thought.

2018-09-19 05:00:58 UTC  

So it is their fault

2018-09-19 05:01:31 UTC  

You're saying humans can not help, but take advantage of anything even though they understand they are doing wrong?

2018-09-19 05:01:45 UTC  

one option ispossibility of loss the other is a guaranteed amount of money from the government

2018-09-19 05:02:05 UTC  

Again, is that the fault of the government?

2018-09-19 05:02:10 UTC  

yes

2018-09-19 05:02:14 UTC  

Or is it the people?