these primaries are fucked

I don't know why you can't have democracy and diversity.

Different demographics have different interests. Just because demographics support interests different from yours doesn't mean democracy doesn't work. That's just fucking braindead.

Blacks are poorer, they want Democrats to support public programs that help them.

Not hard to grasp.

Democrats dont support programs that help blacks

I agree, subjective as that is.

The Great Society hurt blacks more than it helped them.

I'm pretty sure democrats have been fucking black people over for a while

Democrat controlled regions have lower standard of livings than republican-controlled black regions

intentionally and unintentionally

Yeah, but none of these are arguments against diversity in a democracy.

Its intentional for the most part @Deleted User

They just do the bare min to get their vote

what define a 'democracy'

The shameless and toxic pandering to minorities isn't a good thing. Wouldn't not happen if an authoritarian government wanted to secure a demographic vote. FDR made a deal with Southern Democrats not to include blacks in many New Deal programs to get their support.

because in the US we only democratically elect people

FDR definitely led an authoritarian government.

America is a democracy. A republic is still a democracy.

America is not a democracy lmao

that's not what I asked

Its a constitutional republic

Well we're talking about America, so I'm pointing to American democracy.

We democratically elect people

<:HyperLmao:459545665517780993> >america is a democracy

that's it

And yes America absolutely is a democracy. Why is it not a democracy? Representative democracy makes a republic a republic. Did you ever stop for more than two seconds and wonder why it's called representative "democracy"?

Or did that just slip your mind?

what define a 'democracy'

''a democracy''

Rule by the people, etymologically speaking.

Demos, kratos.

america is ruled by [all] the people because we elect representatives?

Legally speaking America is a democracy even if it's been so heavily bureaucratized since FDR that the people increasingly have less power over the affairs of the state.

It doesn't suddenly stop being a democracy as soon as government isn't as small and direct as you want it to be. Sorry, that's not how the world works.

We still elect people, federally and locally.

Those people decide domestic and foreign policy.

''It doesn't suddenly stop being a democracy as soon as government isn't as small and direct as you want it to be. Sorry, that's not how the world works.'' I never implied that

When they don't do what we want as voters we don't reelect them.

Sounds like democracy to me.

Anon seems to have run off after claiming that America isn't a democracy for the 2946th time and being told why he's wrong by me on this specific point for the 2946th time.

the only say we have in their decisions is getting them elected. we can't guarantee that they'll do what the majority wants

Yes, but that doesn't make it not a democracy. A republic is a democracy.

we have a say in who gets in power, depending on the position, that's about it

it's not rule by the people

Don't want to rely on words too much here but America is legally a representative *democracy.* We call a system of government where people elect representatives a democracy because they vote, thereby influencing the public affairs (res public, public affair).

You're disagreeing with established definitions for God knows why.

But you're plain and simply wrong.

I think democracy is too broad

there's direct and rep, and god knows how many other forms

It's meant to be broad, that's why democracy can be representative or direct. Direct democracy is not the only type of democracy.

why are you so hostile <:HyperLmao:459545665517780993>

I didn't call you stupid, I just explained why you were wrong and then told you you were wrong.

''I didn't call you stupid'' whomst the fuck said you did

You called me hostile. I think I start being hostile when I start insulting you.

But I haven't insulted you.

If you're more sensitive than I am then that's none of my business.

you don't suddenly stop being hostile when the word isn't a simple and direct as you want it to be. Sorry, that's not how language works.

You successfully derailed the conversation. Next time I will avoid pointing out when you're wrong so I don't hurt your feelings.

I derailed the convo by asking why you were so hostile and giving you a dose of your own medicine

<:Sheeeeeeeit:476034406423855105>

Seems like you just don't want to be nice and would rather be vindictive and belligerent.

I don't know about you but I'm not in the mood to be a meanie.

oi make a debate about this in <#476576348316368897> kay danke

I wasn't the one being condescending

I was just curious as to why you were being so hostile

Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. I will forgive you as Christ would forgive you.

You don't have to be vindictive and rude.

You don't have to be hostile and condescending <:HyperLmao:459545665517780993>

I'm not. But what I have done is given up trying to get you to see why you're being unreasonable and sensitive.

Live through Christ. And no, it isn't condescending to want to live as Christ lived.

I'm not being unreasonable or sensitive

I wasn't offended, I was just wondering why you were being hostile

I apologize if you thought I was being hostile.

I don't know about you but I have more valuable things to do with my time than repeatedly apologize to someone who just wants to be offended.

Adios partner. 🤠

> apologizes for being hostile
> proceeds to be hostile

alrighty, bye

I dont see how zexy is being offensive

I think you're just overly offended @Deleted User

''I wasn't offended, I was just wondering why you were being hostile''

https://i.imgur.com/1up9iLh.png

This is hosility.

hostility fugg xd

Christianity ❤

Catholicism. ❤

Catholicism is a cult

Why?

Catholicism isn't any more a cult than most other religions.

I don't know. Lived around Catholics all my life and never seen any worship of Saints, Mary, or the Pope to the point of being cultish.

The Pope is only infallibile in spiritual matters, Saints are model people to live by, and Mary worship is definitely most common in Mexican folk Catholicism rather than mainstream Catholicism.

God gives us bad popes and good popes. We are not forced as Catholics to see everything Pope Francis does as divine and right.

If we did we would be a cult. But we don't.

Papal infallibility was only affirmed in the 1870's if I recall correctly, as secular influence declined in Europe.

Catholics V2's are the cultists

Vatican II is fucking egregious.

I can't remember who said it but someone compared it to a parent letting their kid do drugs to seem cool and fit in with their kids.

I felt that was a really good analogy.

The liturgy is part of what makes the Church great.

Personally I feel that masses should be held in the more original Koine Greek rather than Latin.