the argument shouldnt be about how similar they are in mechanics i think

but on the spychological effect

though that might be too vague

It can be, but it can be made to be specific.

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth @JadenFrostwolf for the record, there is a slight difference in how lootboxes work and how random card packs work, usually. and that is namely the ability to trade with someone else for what you want.

also, with things you physically own, you have the ability to get back or even make a profit, on cards you get if you wish to sell them.

and i believe you could use the ability get back lost money without spending more money as a way to make a dividing line between gambling and not gambling.

the difference between gambling and a risky investment, really.

Yeah, I myself was also referring also to electronic cards. I even name-dropped 'Hearthstone', which has no form of trade, that's all.

The „Back End“ of card packs is completely different from lootboxes also...

With the packs they release x amount of cards and y amount are „special“. If you bought all card packs you are guaranteed to get all y amount of „special“ cards... with lootboxes you are not guaranteed anything no matter how many you buy.

they are closer to true random though

Loot boxes? They are a lot of things, but random is not one of them.

assume a 10% crit rate, if it is assured you get a crit every 10 hits, it's not true random

this is that they did in LoL for example, they removed randomness to assure closer results to the balance

but assuring results ISN'T random

you can have a 10% chance to get something, open 100 boxes, and not get it. Welcome to true random 🎉

It would appear that patreon has now changed their guidelines and is policing speech of comedians not even on their platform, why anyone would continue to build a business on this is beyond me
https://youtu.be/ROAPJJejXPE

* I mean what they complained about wasn't on their platform, it was on twitter / Facebook

That seems to be the new trend: platforms policing their user's actions even on other platforms that are not their own.

It's getting crazy, haven't liked patreon since that rubin report interview, he just didn't seem trustworthy there...

It's just going to create an ecosystem where if you do anything wrong anywhere, you'll get banned everywhere.

And in this case, 'doing anything wrong' is going to include wrongthink.

Yeah, seems even banks are starting to do that

Which is real dangerous.

Yeah I've only heard them doing it for companies because of something the founder allegedly did but still a bad trend

Can Andrew Anglin still own a bank account?

I know he's essentially banned from the internet, but what about the real world?

Yeah no idea, they might claim its because of "security" problems rather than his politics

Yeah.

tfw multi billion dollar companies don't know how to properly moderate

pre-emptive banning is how you lose users

lose trust

and cause constant drama shitstorms

i think what you wanted to say is "go bankrupt"

I'm trying to figure out if you make a forum in which you do not moderate any content anymore. I don't think there is any legal protection. that stupid sex works/sex trafficking law makes that impossible. At least without a very good lawyer that could try to weasel out of any charges by making it the responsibility of 3rd parties to notify them, with proof, of legit cases of sex trafficking/sex worker. I don't know if there is a bit of subjective wiggle room to make it the states responsibility to notify the content provider of illegal content on a case by case basis.

its impossible to comply

well known example to illustrate my case

"hello im starting a pizza resaurant, anyone want to buy my Cheese Pizza?"

impossible to comply? or not comply?

the gist is that you can use code words that can mean the illigal activities you want to sell

in other words, even if youd moderate every single post

it still would not be enough

i'm more curious about a way so that even if someone said "hey, want to by a kid sex slave from me?" (sorry discord, guess you gotta shut this down) with legit intent to sell a kid sex slave, the feds couldn't do anything without proof that user is an actual trafficker, which would require knowing who the guy is, and basically having enough of a case against the user that it would have been able to make the content hoster remove the stuff anyway for that user

well, you are looking at it wrong i think

by making the site liable, the site will do whatever it takes to protect itself

regardless of guilt

no, you are missing my point.

i'm not talking about current existing sites

one of the problems, which i think tim discussed before, about that one law protecting providers, was based entirely on the fact they moderated posts.

this made them publishers, which opened them up for legal action that the law was than made to prevent

which means, in theory, that law is still hanging around somewhere protecting people who host things published by other people from being liable for that content, so long as you do not touch it.

oh you mean like how twitter badge is now not only proof that the person is who he says he is, but also that his opinions are twitter aproved, on account of peoples whos opinions twitter doesnt aprove of lose there verification and maybe evem get banned?

no no no. So there is, or at least was, a law that protected sites like twitter, from being held responsible for shit that happened on their site.

this is how craiglist could have personals where there was clearly prostitution going on.

craiglist could not get charged with the crimes of its users, basically

however, the law that grants that protection, was only added in the context that the sites themselves are publishers of these posts. At the time, that would make them liable hence the need for the new law to protect them. However, the only reason, if i remember how it was explained to me, that they are considered "publishers" is because sites would moderate their users content.

if they didn't touch that content, they wouldn't justifiably be called publishers because they don't control the content in any way.

something to this effect

so..

the site shoudlnt do any moderation to get the protections associated with not being a publisher

here, its in this video from tim https://youtu.be/grjZiTN1G5Q?t=157

but basically, the previous law that protected craiglist was only created because sites would moderate their users, but still didn't want to be held liable in any way for the content they missed or didn't know would be bad.

i.e. something like code words

but if they didn't moderate, then they wouldn't fall into the publisher category and would be protected from liability in a different way

i'm wondering if you can make a website that might still fall under the other category, and if that would protect against the sex traffickers bill

it seems like there is potential to capitalize on the growing number of people getting banned everywhere for one mistake or one accusation.

without worry of there being a law that someone can try shut you down with

I see several possibilities

the first one is going private

on closed communities it's hard to get reported

even if you do, it's hard for the complain to be public

because they will have no access

Simply provide the service, and give the users said moderation tools.

the other possibility I see is

you show the reporter to a moderator

peer to peer encyprion intercommunication with peer to peer cloud based decentralized storage of all relevant data that the person storing it cant even access cause its encrypted

downside: no one will own the platform, and anything goes

even stuff like child porn would not be able to be deleted

cause you can not detect who is holding it, and you can not detect what you are holding

on the plus side, it would be a completely free zone, where you could do anything you wanted to do on the internet and get away with it anonymously, unles you a dummy and dox urself

you can't

you will have witch hunts

look at what people think of TOR

what people think would not matter in my example

there is nothing to witch hunt

ofc there is 😏

TOR is exactly what you described

unless you want to go after everyone that sends and receive encrypted data

it became a place where you mostly only go for illegal stuff

that's what happened

the FBI tracks everyone on TOR that they can

you cant detect what is being sent or received though

they control most exit nodes

wouldnt you be able to avoid all that using a vpn though? like what i just said but hidden behind a peer to peer encrypted vpn as well

assuming the vpn doesn't sell you over

which in case of the FBI, they have the power to force the VPN company to "sell" you over

they have to comply

no i mean a decentralized user hosted vpn

this the same FBI that has 0 evidence for collusion but still spends millions trying to find it,

Meanwhile believing that drought in california is russian bots? 😛

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@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth there is a problem with that. it's not that no one holds the data, it's that several people own the data. But in the case if things like cp or other things that are illegal to simple have on the computer, than it's technically anyone with the software may get arrested for having cp on their hard drive

But something else http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/starbucks-manager-called-cops-minutes-black-men-arrive-article-1.3942931

but they may not. innocent till proven guilty remember

4chan is at it again in the news with this https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/18/fake-starbucks-coupon-aimed-blacks-uses-n-word/527964002/

gotta be able to prove you have illegal data, which is impossible if its encrypted and you cant be expected to know the password

every person is guilty in the eyes of the government, they just haven't found the evidence yet

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth possession of child porn is illegal. If it's on your hard drive, you are in possession of cp. Even if it's not your cp. That's the problem.

but it might not be CP

it could be anything

You don't understand. If the police search any computer with that software, unless the software does not save full copies of files on the machine, if they find cp, that the software put there, the owner of that machine can get charged with possession.

I'm not saying the police will know what machine has it

I'm saying it could be randomly found on a machine by someone. For example, an IT person fixing your hard drive might come across it using computer forensics programs and report it to the police.

This is a potental problem.

but you arent storing the non decrypted data

anything anyone would ever be able to find is the encrypted data, which they cant decypher without a key, that the ownder of the computer doesnt have

They can, but things designed to break encryption could. Such as, idk, someone trying to decypte some files that got affected by some ransomware. So the local IT is running some utilies on the computer and oops, suddenly it says it found some cp it just decypted.

My point is, it is a risk.

you cant just decrypt data

thats the entire thing with encryption, why its so powerful

You can, it's just not easy. Ad sometimes the time required can make it impossible.

You also don't just magically encrypt data. There are different types, and algorithms.

And this assumes governments don't just make that software illegal because of this issue.

It may very well be the best route, a distributed system. But you can't ignore the these potential risks.

ofc there are, but a person would not care if he gets conviced of having child porn for example on a encrypted segment on his computer even he didnt have access too, if the encryption has a 20+ character passcode and uses any of the proven encryption methods, cause hed already have died 300 years ago

i wouldn't feel comfortable that it would take 300 years. Too many variables and this isn't like block-chain where you are secured through redundancy of other computers connected to the network. this is a local machine with whatever encryption was maybe top of the line at the time of the code being added and or last updated, don't by a problem that will most likely have to be open source.

plus i don't like the idea of physically hosting content i morally object to on my computer. or even the possibility of it being there against my will, and without my explicit knowledge, and not being able to remove it at will, just from my machine.

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https://www.humblebundle.com/store/satellite-reign

if you know and like the old sydicate games... get that one.

it looks like a bladerunner and xcom mix

@Timcast You may find this video interesting RE: YouTube demonetization and/or censorship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwW7NeBwkfw

Specifically around the 6:00 mark

If you want, got some great tbs games this year. Phoenix Point and Phantom Doctrine are coming out this year if I recall correctly.

BATTLETECH is releasing in 4 days.

who's battletech?

https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/987378512813219840

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/987381907879940097

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y021WAdUlW8

1981 and could be today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8u6O5ILO1Q

holy shit

25 years ago... talking about sjws

modern sjws

and don't even know it

And if all of these callers were saying now what they said then, they'd be called bigots and racists.

hmmm
so discord deleted count dankulas discord server, and his account
https://twitter.com/CountDankulaTV/status/987632894519726080

Political prisoners don't deserve to speak

well they have to destroy him, because if this actually hits the masses and he's still able to speak his word, its gonna be bad mojo for the british govs

JBP on Bill Maher: https://youtu.be/8wLCmDtCDAM

Not sure what to expect.

I've got a built in dislike for Bill Maher

but at the same time, I've learned he's.... KIND OF on our side, in a way? but a hypocrite in others?

have you seen it?

its good

props to BM

Yeah, I'm watching it now.

4:52

He's got a point as far as the professor in Fresno

the panel still get a Trump attack so they try to steer it political (but the video ends), but BM keeps it apolitical anti-pc and I respect it..

mmhmm.

the audience laughs at unspoken truths in a few areas

The arguments should be apolitical

free speech is free speech and I think BM and obviously JBP gets it

I actually thought that he did okay with Milo.

Perhaps my perspective is that Bill Maher is the one guy that could save the Left.

And as much as I really don't like some of the aspects of the left, which he shows quite frequently, he's still got some of the right perspectives that would prevent things from getting so violent

doesn't that just make him moderately left?

Mmmmm....

I'd say he's pretty far left, but pretty firmly on the libertarian side of things

But he's also fairly independent in how he arrived there.

i don't like Bill Maher anyway, he comes off so condescending

That's the bit I don't like about him, yeah.

he's basically a vegan when it comes to politics

which is why i find him so unlikable

if that veganism spills over to free speech, im' good with it

i dunno, someone announcing they're pro freedom of speech every 5 minutes is gonna get me to vote for zombie stalin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eytMj7Qorwk

vegans, otherwise known as b-12-o-phobes are racist against the vitally important vitamin b-12

arent they just racist against animals? i mean... why would you keep animals around if you cant eat them? 😄

Don't they want to fight against climate change? The methane generated by cows does a lot of harm to our atmosphere, doesn't it?
Do you hate the Earth, vegans?

Join the fight against the cow menace.

#MeatSavesEarth

well, if everyone turned vegan, there wouldnt be a meat industry, hence less cows are bred for consumption is their reasoning

personally, i say we just use science to bind the CO2 in the air, split it into pure carbon and oxygen, puff the oxygen back into the air, and compress the carbon into diamonds to throw at those trad-thot people

and do the same to methane, sticking the hydrogen into blimps and bring back the olden days of blimp-duels

I was a vegetarian for 10 years.

I wasn't a vegetarian because I loved animals or anything

it was because I had a fucking murderous hate for plants.

how honorable

i'm a vegan between every meal

I mean, I want to go vegetarian at some point, because if there's one good thing I hear about going vegetarian it's that it helps you lose weight.

I'm not sure if that's a case for or against vegetarianism. lol

to be fair, thats just having a proper diet

you can be a vegetarian and just eat cake all day too

True.

if you really want a guaranteed way to loose weight

Eating gram crackers all day is still technically being 'vegetarian.'

implement socialism, thats the best diet plan, highly recommended by millions of people

lol

I wasn't aware air was so important to a diet.

oh its the best

you lose weight, and don't have to do anything 😏

that does include eating

explains why those fatties all want it

they are just sure that they will hold out the longest because of their... reserves...

good luck, i'm not above resorting to cannibalism within 4 hours of my last meal

vegetarianism untimately will conclude in animals we breed for meat to be redundant.
meat is murder
vegetarianism is genocide

update
https://twitter.com/CountDankulaTV/status/987762582986592262

@everyone People are eating tasty pancakes :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m14wwTfQGxg

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-911-calls-emergency-hanging-up-jailed-crenshanda-williams-houston-harris-county-a8312726.html

I wonder how many people died.

Hopefully, no one, but hanging up on 'thousands' of calls as a 911 responder... yeah, more than likely people died because of it...

pew pewing happening in Saudi Arabia, Royal Palace in Riyadh? Most, if not all are coming from this twitter account: https://twitter.com/GhanemAlmasarir

long nose tribe say we gotta invade explody tribe area cus explody chief is almost clubbed by other explody tribe

soon™

https://twitter.com/aliShihabi/status/987774858871427072

People just throwing unconfirmed sources at each other atm..

Mini Me died: https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/verne-troyer-dead-49-after-12405413

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@Timcast Actually get in there. I'm sure Sargon will let you.

lol called it

@Timcast I just looked over Epidemic Sound's licensing systems. It should be valid, if you can prove that you were licensed to use that song at the time the video was made. Their songs are royalty free, meaning you don't have reporting requirements. The license that was valid at the time of use should cover it. You should, however, probably preempt it by giving credit for the tracks you use.
t. Someone building a Radio station and currently up to my eyeballs in music publishing copyright law. Also Not a Lawyer™.

Another safe option would be to personally buy a royalty free license to the tracks you used, and you're 100% covered from that point forward. It'll likely be around 200-400 bucks a track, though.

Looks like Epidemic runs at about 100 bucks a track for 'Editorial Use'

https://epidemicsound.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001956829-What-is-a-YouTube-Creator-Subscription-

They even say, all videos published during an active subscription will be cleared forever.

Fucking gooks http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/20/kangaroo-in-zoo-dies-after-being-pelted-by-bricks-from-tourists-trying-to-see-it-hop-report.html

Dankula's sentence is in
800 pound fine.

Not as bad as I thought it would be but still fucking stupid and very scary for the future of free speech.

I'd appeal. Doesn't matter how much I'd have to ruin myself financially.

I'd get out the biggest possible loans I could

Get in the most expensive, heaviest possible hitters

Steamroll the appeal court.

so wait, 1000's of manhours, effort and work by both police, lawyers and prosecutors

for 800 quid?

This is why they can’t stop actual crime.

Waste everything on BS.

tbh i think they expected they could punish him really hard to make an example,

But then this blew into a firestorm across the internet over the 2 years, and they got scared with what backlash that would cause

and are chickening out, and trying to save face on both ends by not being too harsh and not just letting him go

talk about government waste

Tim made a good point

A (small) fine like this is potentially worse than a straight up jail sentence

Because people will react with 'oh, it's just a tiny fine, it's not a big problem...'

that is a valid concern.

he should shift that around, saying that this is a clear waste, and this is letting other crimes run free,
people should be mad

didn't this whole thing take like 2 years?

yes

i wonder if he could claim it too so long because he is white and see if they give him reparations for psychological trauma. I'd like to see what the average length of a trail for a minority vs whites in the UK. Then see if there are officials in UK government who is willing to uphold the law to the letter, and recognized white as a race.