Message from @Grenade123
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TOR is exactly what you described
unless you want to go after everyone that sends and receive encrypted data
it became a place where you mostly only go for illegal stuff
that's what happened
the FBI tracks everyone on TOR that they can
you cant detect what is being sent or received though
they control most exit nodes
wouldnt you be able to avoid all that using a vpn though? like what i just said but hidden behind a peer to peer encrypted vpn as well
assuming the vpn doesn't sell you over
which in case of the FBI, they have the power to force the VPN company to "sell" you over
they have to comply
no i mean a decentralized user hosted vpn
this the same FBI that has 0 evidence for collusion but still spends millions trying to find it,
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@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth there is a problem with that. it's not that no one holds the data, it's that several people own the data. But in the case if things like cp or other things that are illegal to simple have on the computer, than it's technically anyone with the software may get arrested for having cp on their hard drive
but they may not. innocent till proven guilty remember
4chan is at it again in the news with this https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/18/fake-starbucks-coupon-aimed-blacks-uses-n-word/527964002/
gotta be able to prove you have illegal data, which is impossible if its encrypted and you cant be expected to know the password
every person is guilty in the eyes of the government, they just haven't found the evidence yet
@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth possession of child porn is illegal. If it's on your hard drive, you are in possession of cp. Even if it's not your cp. That's the problem.
but it might not be CP
it could be anything
You don't understand. If the police search any computer with that software, unless the software does not save full copies of files on the machine, if they find cp, that the software put there, the owner of that machine can get charged with possession.
I'm not saying the police will know what machine has it
I'm saying it could be randomly found on a machine by someone. For example, an IT person fixing your hard drive might come across it using computer forensics programs and report it to the police.
This is a potental problem.
but you arent storing the non decrypted data
anything anyone would ever be able to find is the encrypted data, which they cant decypher without a key, that the ownder of the computer doesnt have
They can, but things designed to break encryption could. Such as, idk, someone trying to decypte some files that got affected by some ransomware. So the local IT is running some utilies on the computer and oops, suddenly it says it found some cp it just decypted.
My point is, it is a risk.
you cant just decrypt data
thats the entire thing with encryption, why its so powerful
You can, it's just not easy. Ad sometimes the time required can make it impossible.
You also don't just magically encrypt data. There are different types, and algorithms.
And this assumes governments don't just make that software illegal because of this issue.
It may very well be the best route, a distributed system. But you can't ignore the these potential risks.
ofc there are, but a person would not care if he gets conviced of having child porn for example on a encrypted segment on his computer even he didnt have access too, if the encryption has a 20+ character passcode and uses any of the proven encryption methods, cause hed already have died 300 years ago
i wouldn't feel comfortable that it would take 300 years. Too many variables and this isn't like block-chain where you are secured through redundancy of other computers connected to the network. this is a local machine with whatever encryption was maybe top of the line at the time of the code being added and or last updated, don't by a problem that will most likely have to be open source.
plus i don't like the idea of physically hosting content i morally object to on my computer. or even the possibility of it being there against my will, and without my explicit knowledge, and not being able to remove it at will, just from my machine.
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