That migrant story is much more complicated then ppl make it

@zutt feeling not incontrol is not the same as wanting more control of the EU. When we were told 30,000 Poles were going to come to the UK we weren't happy, when 300,000 turned up in the first year we were really pissed. We have fundamental disagreements in how the EU works and didn't want to be part of it. and that goes for half of the ppl that voted remain.

Poppy i understand why you would say that

Problem is backtracking this will end in tears

As a side note

Poles do come less now

Since they got more job oportunities home

yeah coz there all fuckignhere 😉 why do you think Poland has NK work gangs

I dont remember now

How big is the polish community ?

Isnt here now more of Romanians?

See, the question in a situation like that becomes, why is it GB's job to employ Poles?

It never was

They were willing to work harder and cheaper then homegrown labourforce

Thats why so many of them came here

Also

Tony blair screwed things up

Rest of europe impossed limits on immigration when east eu countries joined

But britain didnt

I don't wish harm on many ppl but Tony Blair is one of them. I wish he would just fuck off and die. Rik Mayall said it best 'Tony Blair has a third fucking heart attack and doesn't kill the bastard.

Well lots of ppl hate him

Also i like how fucking rich he is

And still milking british tax payer anyway

I like the way he got the peace envoy to the middle east.

Best man for the job

Obviously

🤣

fuckin joke innit.

Yep

Well at least he is in a state of eternal political disgrace and never comming back

And you can see he would really like to get a second chance lol

His faction got corbyned tho and thats it

😀

You from the US zutt? TB is funding an ngo to form a new party.

I really wanted Corbyn to win so he could push out the Blairites. And it worked. It just seemed to of gone a bit far.

Lel

British politics is a huge mess

Imo

innit just.

I think you need complete system change

Zutt, you a brit m8?

Nah

I'm from the ~~US~~ Great State of Texas, myself.

I am czech

The problem with British system is that you have politicians wjo just get concreted in with no chance of change

Constituencies voting constantly for the same person

For decades even

you say that but I just think it takes a certin person that rises up in UK politics and has no appetite for change.

thats half the reason I wanted Corbyn to win the leadership. He certainly shock things up a bit.

That election where ukip got milions of votes and one mp for all the trouble

Was a nice demonstration of it

that's just got to do with the fact that the UK voting system uses districts.

thats why I 'campaigned' for proportional representation when we had the ref on it.

Yeah proportional representation makes much more sense to me

Also abolish house of lords

No

No.

And make senate

have them elected

Why would you keep that lol

10 year terms

Stability, Zutt

Well at least that

Right now its meme institution

's why I'm a fan of monarchies

When you go as reward

At least, ones in which the monarch has some form of actual political power, rather than being a completely ceremonial figurehead.

And have lots of perks and almost no responsibility

yep. crony as fuck

With beeing there for life

I'd personally have the Commons elected proportionally and keep the districts, be it with Single Transferrable Vote, for the Lords

House of Lords is basically the equivalent of the US senate.

You need someone in the position of head of state.

Also it has become apparent that you can buy lordship with party donations

That's what monarchies are good for. Raised from birth to be a head of state.

Ryecast no it isnt

I mean from a political structure stance

Yeah kind off

the whole two houses thing

frankly, the Senate needs tweaking too.

Term limits!

I don't agree on temr limits if you are elected.

Term limits, maybe. Age limits, defnitely. Enforced average national wage payment, absolutely.

Its complicated with wages but i would be for more transparency

I don't agree with that either. You want the ppl that are making desition for your country to be looked after. Less likely to take back handers.

Complete lack of privacy in their communications, also yes.

Same for their bank accounts.

British politics need much more transparency imo

their pay is fuck all in a big ship.

Being a member of government should not be a reward, it should be something people don't want to become for any reason other than serving.

Especialy when public money are involved

The core problem with term limits is that it creates a political class

Incumbency doesn't just happen because someone's doing a good job

I'd also institute Single Transferrable Vote, if people want to keep the districts.

It happens in large part due to apathy.

And the lack of viable third parties is due to the fact that the first-past-the-post voting system used actively works against the growth of said third parties.

Mmhmm

The way it works, not voting for a republican or democrat is essentially a vote for the other party

Yep

Exactly.

And actually swapping parties is two votes for that party.

Two party system sucks

The only way a third party can be viable is if they manage to, on their very first go, manage to win.

it *can* happen

but yeah

Yeah it kind of did happen in gb

@Somi to prevent a government position being seen as a reward maybe we should stick 'em in a barracks and feed them only cafeteria food.

With liberal Democrats

At one point

And in that case, they'd simply replace either of the two original parties in the long term.

I ahte this line of arguement that a vote for a third is vote for the other. How do you think the UK got their Brexit ref? It was coz of the growth in votes for UKIP. Everyone that voted for them knew they would never win but the message was sent. Politics is a long game.

It's simply a matter of fact that that's the case, Poppy.

It is, in the US.

It's called the spoiler effect, look it up. It's a problem inherent to the first-past-the-post voting system.

Yup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

Here, CGP Grey did a video about the problems with the system

good ol' CGP

Well in us

You have bernie and progressive wave comming

I'm not certain we do.

I wonder how big splash it will make in the end

Participation in Republican primaries absolutely swept away democrat participation in most areas

RyeCast, I wouldn't underestimate the JD

JD?

Justice Democrats.

ugh, that's a doublespeak name if ever I've seen one.

Lol

Agreed

But i would not underestimate them

thank Kyle Kulinskie for it. Super hero movies were big at the time 😉

I like kyle but the name is 100% cringe

His coverage of the election was top notch but he is swimming against the tide with the 'progressives'

Well he certainly is better then young turks

Secular Talk is respectable. I’ve certainly got no beef with Kyle.

TYT is fun when something happens tha causes Chunk to have a mental breakdown

TYT is fun to laugh at. That is true. If you watch their livestream chat it’s like 90% hate watchers

I can't even hate watch TYT

Yeah i pretty much gave up on them at this point too

At least when i watch Jimmy Dore i feel he is genuine

But TyT is just shill fest now

Agreed.

I used to watch TYT a lot.

I stopped around the time of the Sam Harris interview they had.

That really bugged me.

I think that was about the time they really started to lose all self awareness, or maybe I just started to notice it.

I dono, i started having my suspicions when they named themselves after the perpetrators of a genocide

Ima start a news agency, ima call it the nazi's, its gonna be very lefty but also lots of hating on jews for some reason

“ Google is labeling a Trump supporting Republican state senator a “ Bigot” “ by Alex Thompson on Vice

Isn’t it interesting that google keeps making these mistakes, but only in one direction?🤔

http://archive.today/qVhGS

lmao

"you can not offend the maus people"

tim getting more and more redpilled by the day

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-FcfkL4XSHBA%2FU2W1YKvTwXI%2FAAAAAAAABBM%2Feix1gaeyoDo%2Fs1600%2FMaus_2_001c.jpg&f=1

@Deleted User in this particular case i would assume it's just a bot that hasn't been coded to reject images with captions

but in other cases it seems plausible to me that if tech firms are based in and recruiting from extremely liberal cities, that the biases that manifest in them are liberal

Left wing politician have negative caption pictures, are they up? I haven seen any.

like if you're forming a company in san francisco regardless of what that company does or sells it's going to have to have a liberal bias by default simply because the people that comprise the company are so much more likely to be liberals.

Sure.

That’s exactly right

i haven't seen any either, but i don't think that these knowledge panels are created by humans

they might be occasionally glanced at by humans to make sure they're more or less sane, but not created

it also appears as if her wikipedia entry was vandalized recently https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trudy_Wade&action=history

If that were true it seems like we would see more events like this with all kinds of captions. Funny that this is the one that slips though the cracks.

Yeah, people are messing with this on the Wikipedia end.

the wikipedia edit seems to have been after the google knowledge panel caption was noticed

maybe the bigot image was googlebombed to the top

should be an easy fix for google's algorithm though. google can easily detect text in an image and reject it.

speaking to the larger issue of bias in tech firms, one trend that might help is the skyrocketing cost of living in california. given how mature communications technology is today there's no good reason to keep all your developers physically in the same city, and there are tons of economic incentives to moving to less population dense areas.

if you have to have an office, why not have it in utah? or rural texas? and why not let devs from all over the country work remotely?

it'll save money, and break up a lot of the group-think.

of course the trend in tech firms isn't telecommuting but building company towns. basically slave plantations for H1Bs where they work a few hundred meters from where they eat and sleep.

so i'm not optimistic that telecommuting will change the big firms (the left put a lot of effort into capturing them and aren't going to give that up easily). but smaller firms are not going to build traditional offices in california simply because they can't afford it anymore.

lol I watched that Rip'n Chicken review. I have to watch it again now to try to determine why it could possibly have been flagged.

He's so completely harmless.

Like Mr. Rogers tier harmless.

I don't agree that there is no reason at all to keep all your staff in the same city, I work for a large corp and we have 3 large offices around the same city and even that 1 hour travel time between the offices can make it difficult to have productive meetings, and when your team is larger than about 10 people everyone jumping onto a video conf can still be less than productive, just watch any online debate of more than 5-6 people and it can turn into a shitfight

in such large voice conferences, have software that has one person in control of the meeting who can enable or disable the microphones of others. there's no need to interrupt or interject. people at the meeting should be listening to what each other are saying, not looking for an opportunity to take control of the conversation.

but most communication doesn't need to use such a format.

if it's a 2-4 way conversation there's no need for such formality, and there might not be any need for voice at all.

i just think it's silly that companies that are ostensibly dedicated to new communication mediums are addicted to face-to-face conversations and refuse to use new technologies.

what you're talking about is for presentations, if there's people in the meeting with no input to provide they're wasting their time being there

so if you go into it saying everyone's mic is disabled you're basically saying their input isn't needed... if you go to a school room raise your hand to talk then meetings are very slow and take longer than they need

not saying their input isn't needed, but that they can and should wait a few minutes to give it instead of interrupting someone else

might just be my personal preference, but i hate listening to debates where people keep interrupting each other

impossible for someone to get a complete thought out before someone else forcibly interjects.

but already you're describing something that wouldn't happen in a normal conversation.... some people need to be interrupted, they're overly verbose or go off on tangents, i see it all the time no one in the room cares what the person is saying because its irrelevant to the topic

I've been good friends of about 10 years with the guy I now work for he's always spending 15 minutes covering something that should take 5, everyone knows it, he knows it so people interrupt and say yeah we all get it, next topic

but when I dial into the meeting, that's hard if not impossible to do because you can't read the room and see if people do in fact get it

yeah, that's why there's one person in charge of the meeting who controls the mics

yeah, its the manager of the team who has the problem, so not a good solution

well, i'd say a bigger problem is forcing developers to live in trailers because they can't afford rent where the meetings are held

yeah that doesn't happen where I live, the opposite is true we don't have enough desks for everyone to work from the office, housing isn't a premium but office space

i'm not talking about where you live then. i'm talking about where all the big tech firms are located where the cost of living is ridiculous.

my original point was that big tech firms have an inordinate amount of control over media, and that they are biased ideologically because their employees are all from one or two extremely liberal cities. the argument i was trying to make was that the cost of living in these cities might force the companies to disperse geographically, thereby alleviating some of the ideological bias.

teleconferencing technology is just something that enables that. i'm not advocating that everyone everywhere should only teleconference.

as an example, reddit. reddit has 230 employees, and their office is in san francisco. now there's a certain number of those employees that have to be there physically because there is hardware they have to work on. but there's a lot of those employees that really have no need to cart their meat into a physical office. the labor they do can be just as easily done from anywhere else, and it would be a cost savings for everyone involved if they worked remotely.

chicken is racist

California is racist😂
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/31/number-one-in-poverty-california-isnt-our-most-progressive-state-its-our-most-racist-one/#1ba85f3a5cd9

some people arent doing as well... and some of those people not doing well are not white... therefore racism... its so clear to me now

Typical democrats. Enslaving their voters while whispering in their ear that they're winning. So devious.

Speaking of inflated pricing and mortgages, I think we're due another recession. Been almost ten years since the last crash.

nooooo I just bought 😛

so did my friend, in Las Vegas of all places. rip.

anyway the cycle goes wage inflation first, then boom, then recession

we're certainly seeing that here in Seattle.

so i think we're in the wage inflation cycle... you need confidence before a recession happens... otherwise they are too prepared for it

if everyone thinks there is going to be a recession.. then companies prepare for it.. and then it doesnt happen

which is why so many lose out in a recession

Well they prepare for it by cutting jobs, which has its own impact.

Theres always money in the banana stand

this racist article is far too optimistic https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6438124/liam-fox-brexit-power-britain/

noplatform for all those people wanting to debate.. ***squints*** ...genocide? https://twitter.com/ADobsonComicArt/status/1002633164295229441?s=20

but... what if both sides are genocidal maniacs, that just don't agree who they want to get rid of?

How does this guy make a living?

Perhaps the Popeyes review guy is guilty of appropriating Korean culture by doing a mukbang. 🙃

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31130947

https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1003350608496287746?s=20

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-muslim-twitter-troll-amy-mek-mekelburg_us_5b0d9e40e4b0802d69cf0264

huffington post doxes the shit out of a person

Vee just did a good video on that

do these people not realise if they spout this stuff all over media, other countries will not take them seriously in negotiations.... are they trying to tank america? https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1003248684589617152?s=20

I mean one tweet is nothing... but if they get a narrative going.. for long enough...

On a different note, the Tim cast would be ranked quite high in Indians cast system ;)

is this monetized/restricted? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ZBUtItCYE

No ads but plays fine

imagine nearly 14m views and no monetisation 😦

I just tried a few times just now... might have been monetized before.

I'm getting ads what you guys on about

nice.. I was wondering if it got ads... since its about "making guns"

ummm I hope the new narrative is not going to be how great China's censorship is... https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23831800-400-censored-why-chinas-online-oversight-is-anything-but-crude/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=SOC&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1528067021

I just got a survey on it

Definitely ads on that video, got 2 in a row

so

with the ruling on twitter

can I just tweet anything to any publicly elected official in the states

and if they block me

it's illegal

?

technically

but no one is going to enforce anything anyway

bummer

I cant tweet at all, since Twitter "thinks" I'm a bot just because I follow conservatives

even tho I confirmed my phone number and email twice

https://discord.gg/UDJZn5z @everyone

shoo

@Ivanfr should call up twitter and be like "do i sound like a bot to you?"

although you would probably get a robo-answering system #irony

Twitter is ran by SJWs

naw, its run by cowards with no spines

None of the data they have about my account looks like a bot