I'm still distracted by Singapore

She could be not real all day long and idgaf. Still hot.

Jenny Scordamaglia has some good news 😄

I think I just heard her whisper, you want obamacare and I replied you read my mind.

Melissa Carone said there was no registered voters but the turnout was 120% above registered voters

You're misunderstanding what she's saysing

uh huh 😄

What shes saying and trying to say are both bullshit. Not worth getting bogged down in the details

Go to 22 minutes. Or don't.

https://youtu.be/gDb7uQ76oJU

Crowder 😄

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dude relax, there is like 8 avenues for them to go after. the dominion machines are just one. the whole system is corrupted.

You worry about such petty crap lol rather than the meat of the topic.

This isn't a question.

Im familiar with the nonsense Crowder spread to sucker people

Everything shouted into the echo chamber gets regurgitated back up by folks I talk to that are told what to think

Explain it

What that detroit precincts list their in person and absentee votes separately but theres nothing wrong with the numbers? Its pretty obvious there aren't 0 registered voters in all of detroit 😄

there are too many coincidences. after a point its just a matter of tying them all together

if you think people living in detroit is a coincidence your definition is way too broad

oh my god people live in every city its all making sense

Too good not to share. Lol

it will come out, just not in 6 weeks of investigations

considering the GOP has been pulling this fake fraud shit for decades its not coming out for quite some time 😄

Its so funny

ok so do you agree its possible to game the system?

game the system how?

in general, is the system open to abuse?

depends on what the abuse allegation is theres a whole lot of them that don't pass the sniff test

yeah but for fraud to exist you have to be open to the idea that it is open to abuse or it isnt.

Putting 1 ballot box in each county? Sure. Taking out suitcases of ballots and counting them? Hah 😄

ok so you are not convinced that the fraud could be large enough, there is some level of fraud but its small in relation to overall votes?

large scale fraud sends up red flags all over the place

its like the difference between being a cash register and taking a dollar or cleaning out your drawer

Its hard to decern what is regular voting irregularities from wide spread irregularities when evidence doesn't go before a court.. here in cali, we havr several instances of voting fraud on a small scale.. ie mayorship stuff like that. Would be nice to wade through the weeds and put 70 plus million concerns to resr..🤔

@slidingedge, you just advanced to level 1!

it's minuscule compared to overall vote.

sure, i agree.

buts lets think about how to win

in a normal election most states dont change from one to the other, for example CA and NY stays and so does KY and KA?

in reality, just a small number of states flip

do you agree?

yeah the swing state numbers are smaller but shift from time to time

ok so a small number of swing states flip

Heres the Michigan election depicted in a football game.
https://youtu.be/AOTGzNdQw1Q

At 13:34

so during a normal campaign, the candidates spend most their time in these swing states

yeah unless they are dumb as Hillary

in order to win you need to secure the swing states yes?

of which there is maybe 5-10, but certainly not 50

usually with a sprinkle of states you cant ignore if they go hard outside the swing states

Hillary is not dumb...

hence first observation (1) mass fraud is not a requirement to win

swing states = electoral votes

shes super dumb 😄

she's a .....

so all these claims there is no widespread fraud is irrelevant

when people say widespread they are talking about enough fraud to swing all the states Trump needs to win

not all 50 states

ok so lets look at that

this isnt some tossup 500 votes in florida he got crushed

a large proportion of the population centers in the major cities

irrelavant to the result. relevant to all americans who don't want the election process to be called into question.

$50 million

they set out to prove millions of fraud votes and found none 😄 in 2016

low compared to what i thought she would be worth.

@SANCTIONED, you just advanced to level 11!

to win PA i dont need widespread fraud, i only need it in the major cities

so how easy is it to commit fraud in the large cities of the key states required to win

Hunter is smarter.

turns out it is a lot easier than it might be given that (1) the rules were relaxed due to covid (2) the cities are largely controlled by the other side (3) far more votes cast using mail-in ballots compared to recent past - the least secure method of voting because it is cast away from the polling station

Night guys TTYL

this one is better....

https://youtu.be/dsODRfCMRoM

Poulos explained that, too... Apparently, Wayne county had some weird way they reported their numbers. It was something like the precincts would report their in-person and mail-in ballot counts separately, The registered voters would be listed with the in-person, but the mail-in was in a separate table with 0 for the registered voters. when you combined the tables, they were correct. The rest of the state reported both types of ballots in the same table and had all zeros in the second one.

What a funny joke

but when people say mail in ballots are less secure what they are getting at is its still .00001% fraud in proven cases. Which generally does not flip an election. So the question is how does one pump up difficult to perform extremely rare fraud to the numbers such that it flips a whole state using a city

@Dedkraken the reason why they are insecure is because of how they are cast and how they are counted. for example, it would be much more difficult to vote in person more than once. its also harder for someone to coerce you into voting in person for a particular candidate. the margins are pretty thin, if you sent 2 mail in votes to 15,000 people (0.15% of the GA population) voting democrat you would have won.

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/election-2020/company-that-fell-behind-on-mailing-ballots-draws-national-attention-for-flying-trump-flag

Mass voter fraud? inside job?

so fraud only needs to occur in a small number of key cities in the swing states. it doesnt need to be widespread or even on a mass scale.

https://youtu.be/up1SLwKWSaE

in my opinion the fraud was not coordinated or part of a secret plan

https://eu.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2020/10/14/election-officials-cancel-ballot-printing-contract-after-delays/5977528002/

i suspect there are numerous disconnected parties - the fact that they all took their own route to help biden win is what lead them to being detected. had they got together they could have not duplicated their efforts and made it so obvious

wouldnt it make far more sense more legal people voted not commiting a felony

@Dedkraken im sure the overwhelming majority were cast legally. but as i said we are talking about very small numbers (relative to the number of voters) required to change the overall result.

a very small amount of fraud does not get Trump nearly close to winning the election

how many votes would flip GA or NV?

its somewhere like 20-30k votes

GA is a no go it was triple counted and verified against the paper receipts NV isnt even close you mean arizona?

Nevada 33,596 biden

GA is also reublican who told Trump to move along...

ok so if biden leads by 33,596 - how many votes does trump need to win? 16,799

thats massive in NV

well he needs one more than 33,596

best bet is something like PA, MI, AZ? I mean 30k fraud nationwide would be unheard of

it's a power grab

yes if he is removing votes he needs 33,596+

ok so lets assume that it is pretty unlikely for 30k fraud votes lets say

x5 for each of the swing states

thats the understatement of the millenia 😄

how likely is it that biden got more votes than obama and lost seats in the house and no gains in the senate?

https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-group-challenge-364k-voter-registrations-georgia-ahead-runoff-election-1556093

how many times has a president gone into office without a senate majority?

Voter fraud deniers everywhere

He'll have one

dems made gains in the senate and are likely about to win 2 more

Gained one already

They probably will win those two. The GOP I predict getting a big middle finger

but if i am to disbelieve that 30k votes x5 , at the same time i have to believe the unlikely event of him winning more than obama and making little or no gains

there were only 1.5 million votes cast in nevada and only so many of them were mailin votes. 17,000 fraud would be unheard of. there is immense checks in place to maintain accurate elections and after election after election intense scrutiny and checks for fraud occur. It just never happens. That 17k votes is beyond widespread voter fraud for sure

at the same time i have to also believe the unlikely event that biden won less counties than ANY other president

"believing things" is different than proving things. Truthiness won't win court cases because its not based in reality.

Between 2000 and 2018 Oregon cast over 100 million mailin ballots. Do you know how many were proven as fraud votes? (its not 17000)

the same people than run the election are those that are elected through the system

or supporters thereof

it is not exactly impartial

its designed exactly to be impartial

im not sure it can be if private money is used to fund drop boxes and other schemes

there were 12 ballots of fraud for 100 million cast ballots. Thats what they mean by mailin ballots are more likely to happen than in person fraud because other fraud happens less often

its more to do with the mechanism of the vote

if i fill out my grandmas vote and submit it by post its fraud, but who would ever know#

it would be harder for me to take her to the machine and push her hand on the button

plus the vote is in a big envelope which has to pass through several mail processing centers

the amount of lost mail is not zero

https://www.fox29.com/news/authorities-pennsylvania-man-tried-to-request-ballot-for-deceased-mother

who would ever know is what everyone says right before they go to prison for several felonies for the prize of a single vote. one vote in an election where we cant even get half the country to legally vote for no penalty

https://youtu.be/e5odSmWzj48

thats why drives to get new voters are extremely common and fraud is extremely rare

theres systems in place to make sure you vote made it through the mail but dropoff boxes are more convenient

except that they are placing them strategically

anyway, expect trump to execute order 66 when everyone is at home during christmas

The notion that fraud is on an unprecedented scale and also untraceable is bananas. When a bunch of folks do a crime some of them get caught. They arent able to pin anything significant down.

its not untraceable, but the methods used to trace it are being blocked or hampered almost uniformly

How are they blocked?

for example today they are going to court to prevent the machines being handed over in AZ

The machines dont prove anything they arent even giving them to real experts just violating the shit out of chain of custody

both sides can have their own experts

or they can appoint someone both agree to

Base analysis should be done by neutral accredited laboratories setup by the law to professionally test and audit voting machines forensically

When you have DNA evidence it doesnt get tested by both sides

yes they could do that, i would be in favor of that

Those labs exist Powell blocked them going there she wanted her goon to pay through them because she wanted propaganda not something that holds up in court

Other states are sending them to real labs

And or counting the paper ballots

well companies file their taxes based on honesty

but that doesnt not mean that they do not get audited

because you know, people are not always honest

All the real testing trumps legal team doesnt want to do or lies about. They demand hyper partisan junk tests then scream bloody murder when they dont get it.

maybe, but in their defense i would say that IF they feel it really has been corrupted they are probably reluctant to hand it over to other state actors

What real testing would that be?

I mean, the adjudication logs are not there for 2020 but are for past elections. ... Allegedly

ideally you would have an independent lab like you said

but when you have powerful people intent to make everyone move on you start to question things a bit

what kind of aircraft? aircraft change flight directions for all sorts of reasons like wind or storms

Also, if you truly had a secure, secret election... If there was a clever manipulator committing fraud, you would never know.

Thankfully, most criminals are stupid/do not cover their tracks. As such, right now they need to get as much discovery as possible.

Sure, they want to win the election. However. ...If they do not collect the data now, as aggressively as possible, it will be harder to make a difference later after the election is finished.

An actual secure, secret election... It is impossible to discover fraud.

Some helicopters (no fires)

@SoonMrWick do you live near the sea? a airbase?

Airbase and mountains.

I think something is happening behind the scenes, what it is i dont know

Could also be a training if there's anything publicized by military.com or other military site.

so there is some evidence that trump was moving troops last month

@Doc hello.how are you?

Why would that influence the election? C-130s are transport planes. AC-130s are gun ships.

No, most criminals aren't stupid. You only see the ones who get caught.

They can be stupid, but move quick. Like the smash and grab from a German museum recently

Does that make them smart by proxy

https://youtu.be/xbWlyf92Oxs

Hmm. I don't know. Maybe those are the ones that were unlucky. ... Generally, even the ones that don't get caught and we know about... Never really made a good scheme that cannot be traced back

Like you might steal a candy bar, but no one is really going to go chase you for $1.

But it was on a security camera.

If you steal 1000 candy bars, though, that is a bit different. You will get caught if you do it all at once. ... But not if you spread it out over time and space.

Same amount of damages.

Its illegal to steal someones bike. Is it illegal to add an extra bike lock?

I'll send you the combination of you send me some bitcoin

Totally illegal. More interesting than just jacking though 🙂

https://youtu.be/bTm4nO08_pQ

https://youtu.be/NDIG_oUGE84

Here we go again:
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/federal-judge-rejects-georgia-gops-attempt-to-prevent-newly-registered-voters-from-participating-in-senate-runoff-elections/

i thought according to their own law you have to have voted in the nov election to vote in the runoff

Nope not a thing. The GOP would like it to be a thing. Their standard voter suppression package doesnt include any advanced runoff features. They had to buy the platinum version

So, you think it's voter suppression to not want a bunch of people from out of state to move in temporarily just so they can vote in the runoffs and influence the election?

Paragraph II. Run-off election. A run-off election shall be a continuation of the general election and only persons who were entitled to vote in the general election shall be entitled to vote therein; and only those votes cast for the persons designated for the runoff shall be counted in the tabulation and canvass of the votes cast.

article 2 s2 p2 of the georgia constitution

So what the hell

Is everything just being dismissed on standing

orange man bad, he is a nazi, must get him out

https://t.co/pY3n6DEWzP?amp=1

This is a pretty cool resource I just found. Lots of state population vs registered voter info

Also, https://mobile.twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1340180468239503361

👍

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/bengaluru/violence-breaks-out-at-wistron-corps-iphone-manufacturing-plant-near-bengaluru/amp_articleshow/79691511.cms

Apple crushing the indian slaves

The political Facebook disclaimers are gone, did you notice already? Why do you think they do it? (I’m new, from the Netherlands and love the USA)

https://twitter.com/PrivilegedLydia/status/1340292796943613953?s=20

Maybe the Russians heard Chris Krebs say that this election "was the secure election in history."
And they were like "you gon' learn today!"

@Britinvietnam like she said its not ur concern. We understand.. they need to do their jobs.. and follow protocol..

its always russia, never china

i never saw those circles, i thought the media was joking about them

More than likely it was really China trying to frame Russia. What idiot would leave themselves entirely out of any attack that is easily traceable?

pretty obvious it was china

@Phil, you just advanced to level 19!

china gdp $25.36 trillion vs $4.016 russia

china growth rate 6.14% vs 1.34% russia

labor force 774.71 million china vs 69.923 million russia

tell me which is the greater threat

@Archiver✿(Fake Art Open), you just advanced to level 2!

Thanks GOP run senate that cares more about giving non vulnerable companies cash over small businesses and the people

And it should worry you

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/16/mar-a-lago-trump-season-end-controversy-ethics-concerns

All Congress is doing both Republicans and Democrats is destroying the US dollar

“Hit piece”

@meglide congress is run by people in the pockets of corporations

Short term profits over long term gains

i agree with you on something

“Agree” or agree

I can't believe the log jam on the hill. When Covid hit n Trump totally in charge, things rolled out incl stimulus...boom boom boom. ..last year. Why is Pelosi still around? Yeah. Many issues.

Will be like Bush n Obama without trump
https://c.tenor.com/w43ByA1RgikAAAAM/milk-and-mocha-cry.gif

christmas in london is cancelled...

There was only one stimulus bill back in March where the GOP gave most of the money to corporations, that’s what created the log jam back then @RoseRN

It wasn’t smooth and took longer than it needed to be

I got one, I have a small business.

Maybe so but much longer now. I am "ok" compared to others. Just saying..... It did seems there was some oversight to prevent a money grab.

Alot of people got caught here in vegas gambling with pp loans. I have to agree with Rose it was just an oversight issue.

Phil, so sorry to know about Christmas being cancelled. Some people still planning Christmas this year in Arizona. With family.

i was planning to go to family but now i have to stay home 😦

They tried with the oversight, at least. But if they send out 600 dollars as Obama did, what, a decade ago? Gonna send it to Trump fund or legal fund or something. Sure I could use the money, but come on, that won't even pay rent.

@MyxnamesxjEff25 the intent is to sustain people thought a lock down to be used to not go under. You need recurring payments to accomplish this. If people gamble it away they can’t complain about not feeding their family .

james j you mean the one with the pork in it like 25m to Kennedy center , The “Corporation for Public Broadcasting,” or NPR and PBS, will receive a grant of $75,000,000. However, this amount of money could have bought over 555,000 test kits. how about this one? Allocated to a fund called “Migration and Refugee Assistance,” another $350 million was designated to help illegal aliens settle during the pandemic. You mean this one.

@RoseRN that’s the point the stimulus checks were non comprehensive and went to big businesses rather than people who really need it and at a useful amount

Gosh, Phil, that sucks. I work in covid units when the initial one fills up. While most people hardly get sick, it is really bad when bad and definitely not like the flue. Last winter, I knew no one that has it. Right now, my sister knows 3, all home sick with it. I know 2. One at home n one in hospital. Not sure what to think but healthy people, should be able to discern what and how they want to live. Merry Christmas anyway. I hope you can Skype.

Pelosi is a parasite

Sorry Phil, last sentence not meant for you but there it is.

@RoseRN, you just advanced to level 7!

@bham78 Compare that to the gop bill that went to non vulnerable companies and gave less money to people and small businesses. Even if you include money for non profit organizations. The “pelosi” bill (that was a response to the corporate pork bill ) served the people and the community more than the “McConnell” bill

@RoseRN the gop is more to blame than pelosi when it comes to the formulation of useful long term stimulus package.

then why did they pass it? because they got what they wanted for themselves It was poorly written and unscrupulous corp took advantage. With no oversight, it was asking for what they got. Of course no one is trying to get it back.

@bham78, you just advanced to level 2!

Agreed my business was a booming after the lock down here, because of these stimulus checks and in away saved vegas from going under so it's not all a waste. I think the biggest issue I had was getting employees off unemployment they were making 1400 a week and it was hard getting them to come back to work because who wants to work for their money instead of getting it for free?