@Sam Amari i agree with rhune

@shadowlessnexus Why not?

Not with climate change man. There's no agenda. Every single climate scientist is deeply depressed for a reason.

Those climate scientists have drank the kool-aid

@Sam Amari No there literally is... did you read the full report? They call to dismantle capitalism as a way to lower our emissions.

@machtyn because trying to copy pubg instead of having a campaign continuing the actually interesting story of the black ops series doesnt make a good game

Dude, what is the benefit to denying climate change, let me ask you that? If you're right, okay, cool, nothing bad is going to happen. Nice! But if you're wrong... we all fucking die because you adamantly acted like there's an AGENDA behind TOO MUCH CO2 being in the atmosphere

So you guys all agree that massive amounts of Syrian immigrants are moving into Europe / America and the rest of the world, right?

The purpose of the agenda is to control people with a hoax and faulty data

You won't deny that that's happening, right? That massive amounts of Syrian refugees are being forced to leave their country?

@Sam Amari there is no benefit to denying it. im doing it based on facts. however the governement paying a bunch of scientists to get the results they want lets them put regulations on everything and tax emissions more and more

The Syrian refugees and other migrants is true

Yep, and do you know why they have to leave?

thats something thats factual and happening though

Because they CANT FUCKING GROW CROPS anymore. It's too fucking hot in their country.

...

That is FACT.

they are coming here because they want free welfare

..Syria is in the middle a decade long civil war

the civil war

No ones growing anything

it happened because all of the people in the rural regions could not grow crops anymore

they moved into the big cities, and war erupted because there's just sheerly too many people with no job skills except farming

no it happened because the us interevened in the middle east to put dictators they liked in charge in numerous places and ruined the security of the middle eastern communities

that is a direct result of climate change. this will continue to happen, on a grander scale, world wide. I promise you that.

I cant speak to that, I'm ignorant of the causes

not just the us. but they were a big one

Dude this is well documented, I will send you the link. There's a famous viral comic that illustrates the entire reason for the civil war being climate change.

US meddling is a factor to be sure as well the carving up of the Ottoman empire at the end of WW1

@shadowlessnexus but but but ... Yeah, I agree

Read that comic.

"nearly a million rural villagers lost their farms to the drought"

"they crowded into overcrowded cities like Daraa"

@Sam Amari the middle east has always been a desert or badlands type land scape except by the rivers or the ocean

Tell me, did global warming exist during the days of Gilgamesh when he reigned as king of uruk?

His epics talk of sweltering summers

@Rhunespire it has never been this bad in Syria in recorded history. show me reports of it being this hot in the 80s, 70s, 60s, 50s, or 40s. nope

i am not seeing a single citation that links to any research, documents, or anything that proves the comic. therefore ill dismiss it without any evidence

smh

im gonna check out the site that made the comic and look for sources there

@Sam Amari I do agree there is climate change. The issue is how can we truly affect change? The Chinese/Indian aren't doing shit, just the promise. The US has done more than any actual country so far (a country that is actually large - not Europe. They don't count).

@Sam Amari The question is... how can we affect change? What are your proposals?

I say eliminate all food subsidies 😄

Isaac Arthur had an interesting idea

I love that dude.

Build a giant shade that interposes itself between us and the sun

the comic makes many assertions without listing the proof. thats whats expected. because otherwise its just saying stuff

@machtyn I'm thoroughly convinced we can do nothing. We are a cancer on the planet, humans.

so if we are. then why worry about it?

lets keep making the economy better and drive humanity forward

@Sam Amari are you a nihilist?

A realist

@Sam Amari Ok, so let's agree on that. Why would that influence anyone to give a shit then?

A nihilist wouldn't care about any of these issues

ok. but you have no solutions

No, I don't. Just because there are no solutions doesn't make something factually false.

I was a nihilist then I realized it's boring and existentialism is more fun.

so we should just do whats best for humanity then. which is improving the economy and advancing technology assuming your right.

@Sam Amari Ok, agreed. However, it DOES make it a wasted effort and thus I deny your request for taxes.

We simply are going to exhaust all resources. We will not conjure up more oil.

why tax emissions and stop co2 then?

I invest that money in steak, butter and delicious vegetables.

that stuff makes economys better. we should do it as much as possible then. if it doesnt matter then who cares

are we in agreement on that?

@Sam Amari I disagree. Humans are only here to bring our AI masters to life. I am a happy servant to do so.

read /r/collapse if you aren't too scared

sounds like most of you probably are

@shadowlessnexus I can't stop watching shroud on twitch play it and I wants it man! It looks pretty fun but I know it would fall flat without a single player campaign 😦

im not scared of anything. i havent been scared of death since i was 13

You know even the TRUMP administration admited to a 7-degree rise in global temperatures by 2100, right?

The most anti-climate change regime on the planet said that.

is that supposed to prove something?

Yes, it proves the world is fucking warming, what i've been telling you and you've been denying.

@Sam Amari Yes, a massive collapse is coming but that doesn't stop me from wanting steak. So... I live another day.

@Sam Amari yea and what has that warming done?

it hasnt really been linked to anything

Warnings about the dangers of global warming are being watered down in the final version of a key climate report for a major international meeting next month. ‘True risks’ of warming played down to placate fossil-fuel nations. That's the only reason we don't freak out about it more, because oil companies keep things hushed.

they said the polar caps would melt by 2015. they didnt

Yes, it is warming but by how much and how many taxes are governments planning on levying to fight this unwinnable war?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS LINKED TO THE SYRIAN REFUGE CRISIS THAT YOU DISMISSED

yea because there was zero evidence in that comic strip

it just said things.

so i said things

You know about the massive bug die off right?

You think thats fake news?

@Sam Amari Our generation isn't going to see the collapse or depletion of energy reservers; most likely (tm pending). So... why the fuck are you concerned? You have much more serious issues you need to focus on (affording medicine and sorting your life). I don't recommend Jordan Peterson much but you need some of his tradcuck ideas.

we can point out tons of things. that doesnt mean any of it is linked. prove its linked and prove we are causing it and prove we can stop it. then we can talk

otherwise i dont care

I wouldn't mind a 1% tax to support @Sam Amari

@machtyn I absolutely think we are going to see it in our life time.

but....but...but....love

@Sam Amari Oh. Really?

Who cares about me, my life is so fucked on a personal level.

I'm thinking 2100+

only for awhile you got this shit bro

@Sam Amari yes, but you can actually control that MORE than the fucking global warming issue

I'm a slave to my medical issues and the cost of keeping me alive in American healthcare

You're not a slave.

You can become a citizen of another country.

@machtyn Just because I'm talking about the global warming issue doesn't mean I need to have control over it

aight im watching a movie with some guys on tfms server

Or you can earn bank and pay what you need.

@Sam Amari again. i dont mean to cause any hard feelings by disagreeing with you. hope were good

@Sam Amari No, I agree. Aren't you angry to waste time on topics you cannot actually control instead of directing that focus on things you can control?

it's alright, the next 20 years will prove my point better than anything ill type out

@shadowlessnexus Link?

@Sam Amari Truth.

@machtyn waste time? i dont think its a waste of time to be informed about the future. i think these fools that are stuck in optimism bias and "technology will solve all our problems" are the ones that are screwed

they talk about me drinking the kool-aid. rich. the only people who in serious numbers deny climate change are American right-wing voters.

There are no serious contingents of climate change deniers in any serious political party outside the USA with the exception of Brazil who is about to elect an absolute personification of evil who will just allow them to keep absolutely raping the rainforest

if you are proven right i will freely admit it

i do have a lot of personal issues to sort out but that doesn't mean i'm going to not chime in when i see some MGTOW climate deniers

i dont care about winning. i care about reality and whats real

@shadowlessnexus nothing is going to convince you. you've discredited everything ive posted.

@Sam Amari I agree that you should know the future as you can. I would consider myself more "right wing" in finance but very left-wing everywhere else. I think climate change is something we should seriously address in the economy but within reason... like when we subsidized corn/wheat/beans it seriously fucked the planet too. If we returned to NATURAL NON-soil stripping farming... it would be amazing. YES, it means we wouldn't have as much food but holy shit look how obese we are?

yea. and thats fine.

regardless of anything. other people can benefit from our discussion

so you think the 15,000 scientists who wrote the letter of humanity are just puppets?

anyway the movie is gonna start soon

Yes

ill be back later

See ya shadow

@Sam Amari I wasn't trying to SILENCE you using your personal issues. Don't misread that. I personally just hate getting hot and bothered by an issue that I can't control and spend SO MUCH ENERGY on it to realize.. it doesn't fucking matter. Then again, what does? I've realized only what I truly controls does.

Catastrophic warning about the fate of humanity is given by 15,000 scientists who claim human destruction of the natural world will lead to 'misery' and an 'irretrievably mutilated' planet. 15,000 scientists signed this in 1992 and then again in 2017.

There's literally no point for people to waste their time propagating this hoax. There's no benefit. That's how you know it's not a hoax. Nothing is gained from these scientists who claim this. They're saying it because they've spend their entire life faced with irrefutable evidence of the reality of climate change. And people will still just go, "nah, hoax".

@machtyn I mean, what the fuck matters? Nothing. We eat, shit, sleep, fuck, die. Everything else is just what we fill our time with. I'm fascinated by this issue and I will be until the end. One of the most fascinating parts if the sheer amount of people who deny it in the face of overwhelming evidence. Because nothing is more reality shattering to their future plans than this.

Overwhelming evidence is what you base your argument on, but what about the FACTS?

The fact is they cant prove it, they just think based solely on evidence which has been debunked already

At this point we will have to agree to disagree

You literally said nothing.

@Sam Amari Again, I disagree. A lot of these scientists are or are being used to push socialism. There is a benefit and a cost to every fucking thing.

jfc

I made my point previously already

@Sam Amari I suggest finding solutions if you're truly this excited about it.

There are not solutions to everything

I personally am not knowledgeable enough in physics to truly assist. I honestly have been debating going to a community college to take advanced physics and static among other classes.

True!

Global temperature rise

Warming oceans

Glacial retreat

Shrinking ice-sheets

Decreased snow cover

Sea level rise

Declining Arctic sea ice

Extreme events (hurricanes/fires/droughts)

Ocean acidification

All of those are easily factually proven with a google search

Agreed.

How do we truly change it though?

The people who want to apply taxes are the same people taking jets talking about global warming as a day job.

@Sam Amari Like if these people TRULY cared about the climate why don't they just Skype?

Why do you need to fly 10+ times a year to discuss the decline of the climate.

Almost everyone alive is a hypocrite in that sense

Like every sports team flies around 150 times a year on a private jet

Yeah... like... I personally never fly because I truly do want to affect change. I drove 2 days to visit friends on west coast instead of flying.

And how would you hold them to account?

yeah

@Rhunespire Taxes

Yeah, but I'm a fatalist about this shit. You're not going to affect anything personally even if you flew every single day

In the 1970's all the "scientists" and experts were telling us "we are going into an ice age, the USA had better wake up.......there will be food wars, a billion people could die....this was all going to happen by 1990

Increase taxes too much and the people will revolt

Ah man. I was hoping you weren't a denier Mod

so....before humans.....when the earth did have climate change....and were not around to cause it....................how did it happen????

I am skeptic

The old "oh, the scientists were off about their predictions" doesn't at all disprove any of the phenomenon i posted above

I believe and know we need to be good stewards of the planet....but no one here is going to live in the dark, live on "rationed' electricity and be told you cannot drive or go somewhere because "you exceeded you footprint for the month"

aight i cant do this. i wonder how me skeptics became believers down in Florida this weekend xD

*many

There were hurricanes in Florida way, way before people settled there

sure it does. Scientists told us this was fact and used "science" to talk down to anyone who did not toe the line. I mean, the best minds in the world at one time believed the earth was flat....

Even if doomsday comes, you should become the kind of man who rises to the challenge and be happy in spite of it all, I thought thats what this community was about, but Im reading some very different directions here. #concerned

this community is about not co-habitating and not getting married. dont tell me how to view the world beyond that

There were only 4 billion people on the planet in 1975. Its double that now. Of course disasters like a hurricane, a wildfire, or flood are going to cause more damage now versus then........there are twice as many people...and the news in instantaneous........even in the 1970's.....a disaster might happen and it would take a day or two to figure out what had happened.........and the media.....never lacking to elaborate and embelish on human tragedy always uses climate change, global warming, Trump, pollution in the ocean, the polar bears to make a point

Then Im in the wrong place, fare thee well

if you're right, great! everythings fine! keep consuming as normal, taking big flights, spending long nights playing video games and driving hummers!

if you're wrong, we're dead. why even err toward the side of "we'll be fine" when there's so much evidence that we wont

simple optimism bias

just world fallacy

I'm not doing any of that.....I cannot afford that lifestyle, and wouldn't even if I could..........but no one in the USA, espcially the "scientists" who purport only quasi tested theories and in the span of the earths age.....we have only been measuring climate in general for 200 years give or take...........they have made some bold assertions many times since I was a boy, and all of them have been wrong.

maybe read the "Major Climate Report Describes a Strong Risk of Crisis as Early as 2040" New York Times article

or the "As The UN Warns Of Climate Catastrophe By 2030, The EU Is Pulling Back Climate Ambition" forbes article

In the 1970's the same article would read "Major Climate Report.........By 1990"

dude just because people are off on fucking predictions doesnt mean anything

thats the weakest argument ive ever heard and im sad to know you're an actual like seasoned adult who thinks that

duuhhh the scientist said there would be flying cars by nooow!!!

I went to an environmental college for undergrad. My college is voted the "greenest" and best "in environmentalism" by the Sierra Club. Some of the nonsense they purported as "science" and "fact" back in 1989 actually is pretty false and untrue....doesn't mean we should do more to be better stewards and protect. It doesn't mean we should stop new technologies.......but fearmongering unger the guise of science does science itself a HUGE disservice

No, TV said there would be flying cars. WE have the science actually to to them now

and have for a bit

At this point I'll probably just stop talking about climate change in this discord. I'm disappointed to know that the MGTOW community doesn't take issues on a case by case basis and seems to just fully go along with American right-wing thinking. Like, there's no room for someone who thinks Kavanaugh is innocent and also thinks climate change is an extreme threat. You have to be a lib or conservative.

I am not a right winger

I didn't vote for Trump

The Republicans are democrat lite

I voted Jill Stein. I voted for a fucking woman. I don't regret it because she was better than the daddys boi who inherited millions of dollars and acts like a self made man and the witch hillary

I think Kavanaugh is terrible.........and the metoo thing aside.......even if that didn't come up.........didn't like the guy

Yeah he's going to be a horribly conseravtive judge for sure and always vote for big business and shit, but he definitely didn't do anything wrong to that vocal fry-voiced banshee woman

agreed.

Any way I gotta go. I'll try to get less passionate about my climate change issues, ill try to avoid them altogether. this chat is great and i dont want to create animosity. i just feel very strongly about that issue.

That's fine. I am gald you have a cause......but people will disagree, and that doesn't mean they are a right winger though 😃

yeah i gotta not assume that. because im not a left winger cuz i believe in it.

so, good talk to realize that

its cool

see ya man. sorry for getting a little heated

no offense taken. Be safe young buck

Hey @mudazo923

@Sam Amari its fine to be heated and debate. its not like you were trolling and baiting people into debates. debates happen. your good

just dont disparage ahri....

Who's ahri?

.................... **thats it **

naw.

shes my waifu

Whos online?

definately not me

Lmao!!! Hop on voice chat man...

maybe i will maybe i wont

It looks like you did.

i guess i did

Why do I want to waste $60 on a shit game like Black Ops 4. I desperately need a decent fps.

quake champions?

Oh! I need to look into that.

its free

Downloading 😄

Theres a part of me that wants to vc, but theres a bigger part kf me that wants nothing to do with @Roughneck Riggs

What's wrong with @Roughneck Riggs?

I need to buy a mic, lol.

nothing.

were just chillin

@Yowilkat oof

anime babes is 2d. i mean 3d is not disallowed. but no thots

so like 3d anime

**no. thots.allowed.**

@9574 oh no its retarded <:wukeb49cwjly:480186120160804883>

well. the women has a wayyy better time because she has a pussy. guys dont. they have money. but if he has a wife already then he aint got anymore money

this is like basic stuff

so?

aight well thanks for that

Stop feeding the thots gentlemen

oh yea and

Don't do it

I've never broken in a relationship, It was the girls that broke my heart, via unfaithfulness, while I've always stayed true. How can I come to terms with 40+ years of this

**BEGONE THOT**

You have more valuable things to do with your time

^^

thots get **the pimp hand**

At least this server has a no thots rule unlike TFM's server.

its a waste of time

Giving thots a space in the name of free speech, SMH.

they all say the same things: im not like that so marry me wahh

I did Point that out to the guys on that server

A lot of them just justify it as not wanting to be stuck in an echo chamber