if you are proven right i will freely admit it

i do have a lot of personal issues to sort out but that doesn't mean i'm going to not chime in when i see some MGTOW climate deniers

i dont care about winning. i care about reality and whats real

@shadowlessnexus nothing is going to convince you. you've discredited everything ive posted.

@Sam Amari I agree that you should know the future as you can. I would consider myself more "right wing" in finance but very left-wing everywhere else. I think climate change is something we should seriously address in the economy but within reason... like when we subsidized corn/wheat/beans it seriously fucked the planet too. If we returned to NATURAL NON-soil stripping farming... it would be amazing. YES, it means we wouldn't have as much food but holy shit look how obese we are?

yea. and thats fine.

regardless of anything. other people can benefit from our discussion

so you think the 15,000 scientists who wrote the letter of humanity are just puppets?

anyway the movie is gonna start soon

Yes

ill be back later

See ya shadow

@Sam Amari I wasn't trying to SILENCE you using your personal issues. Don't misread that. I personally just hate getting hot and bothered by an issue that I can't control and spend SO MUCH ENERGY on it to realize.. it doesn't fucking matter. Then again, what does? I've realized only what I truly controls does.

Catastrophic warning about the fate of humanity is given by 15,000 scientists who claim human destruction of the natural world will lead to 'misery' and an 'irretrievably mutilated' planet. 15,000 scientists signed this in 1992 and then again in 2017.

There's literally no point for people to waste their time propagating this hoax. There's no benefit. That's how you know it's not a hoax. Nothing is gained from these scientists who claim this. They're saying it because they've spend their entire life faced with irrefutable evidence of the reality of climate change. And people will still just go, "nah, hoax".

@machtyn I mean, what the fuck matters? Nothing. We eat, shit, sleep, fuck, die. Everything else is just what we fill our time with. I'm fascinated by this issue and I will be until the end. One of the most fascinating parts if the sheer amount of people who deny it in the face of overwhelming evidence. Because nothing is more reality shattering to their future plans than this.

Overwhelming evidence is what you base your argument on, but what about the FACTS?

The fact is they cant prove it, they just think based solely on evidence which has been debunked already

At this point we will have to agree to disagree

You literally said nothing.

@Sam Amari Again, I disagree. A lot of these scientists are or are being used to push socialism. There is a benefit and a cost to every fucking thing.

jfc

I made my point previously already

@Sam Amari I suggest finding solutions if you're truly this excited about it.

There are not solutions to everything

I personally am not knowledgeable enough in physics to truly assist. I honestly have been debating going to a community college to take advanced physics and static among other classes.

True!

Global temperature rise

Warming oceans

Glacial retreat

Shrinking ice-sheets

Decreased snow cover

Sea level rise

Declining Arctic sea ice

Extreme events (hurricanes/fires/droughts)

Ocean acidification

All of those are easily factually proven with a google search

Agreed.

How do we truly change it though?

The people who want to apply taxes are the same people taking jets talking about global warming as a day job.

@Sam Amari Like if these people TRULY cared about the climate why don't they just Skype?