@Sam Amari Like if these people TRULY cared about the climate why don't they just Skype?

Why do you need to fly 10+ times a year to discuss the decline of the climate.

Almost everyone alive is a hypocrite in that sense

Like every sports team flies around 150 times a year on a private jet

Yeah... like... I personally never fly because I truly do want to affect change. I drove 2 days to visit friends on west coast instead of flying.

And how would you hold them to account?

yeah

@Rhunespire Taxes

Yeah, but I'm a fatalist about this shit. You're not going to affect anything personally even if you flew every single day

In the 1970's all the "scientists" and experts were telling us "we are going into an ice age, the USA had better wake up.......there will be food wars, a billion people could die....this was all going to happen by 1990

Increase taxes too much and the people will revolt

Ah man. I was hoping you weren't a denier Mod

so....before humans.....when the earth did have climate change....and were not around to cause it....................how did it happen????

I am skeptic

The old "oh, the scientists were off about their predictions" doesn't at all disprove any of the phenomenon i posted above

I believe and know we need to be good stewards of the planet....but no one here is going to live in the dark, live on "rationed' electricity and be told you cannot drive or go somewhere because "you exceeded you footprint for the month"

aight i cant do this. i wonder how me skeptics became believers down in Florida this weekend xD

*many

There were hurricanes in Florida way, way before people settled there

sure it does. Scientists told us this was fact and used "science" to talk down to anyone who did not toe the line. I mean, the best minds in the world at one time believed the earth was flat....

Even if doomsday comes, you should become the kind of man who rises to the challenge and be happy in spite of it all, I thought thats what this community was about, but Im reading some very different directions here. #concerned

this community is about not co-habitating and not getting married. dont tell me how to view the world beyond that

There were only 4 billion people on the planet in 1975. Its double that now. Of course disasters like a hurricane, a wildfire, or flood are going to cause more damage now versus then........there are twice as many people...and the news in instantaneous........even in the 1970's.....a disaster might happen and it would take a day or two to figure out what had happened.........and the media.....never lacking to elaborate and embelish on human tragedy always uses climate change, global warming, Trump, pollution in the ocean, the polar bears to make a point

Then Im in the wrong place, fare thee well

if you're right, great! everythings fine! keep consuming as normal, taking big flights, spending long nights playing video games and driving hummers!

if you're wrong, we're dead. why even err toward the side of "we'll be fine" when there's so much evidence that we wont

simple optimism bias

just world fallacy

I'm not doing any of that.....I cannot afford that lifestyle, and wouldn't even if I could..........but no one in the USA, espcially the "scientists" who purport only quasi tested theories and in the span of the earths age.....we have only been measuring climate in general for 200 years give or take...........they have made some bold assertions many times since I was a boy, and all of them have been wrong.

maybe read the "Major Climate Report Describes a Strong Risk of Crisis as Early as 2040" New York Times article

or the "As The UN Warns Of Climate Catastrophe By 2030, The EU Is Pulling Back Climate Ambition" forbes article

In the 1970's the same article would read "Major Climate Report.........By 1990"

dude just because people are off on fucking predictions doesnt mean anything

thats the weakest argument ive ever heard and im sad to know you're an actual like seasoned adult who thinks that

duuhhh the scientist said there would be flying cars by nooow!!!

I went to an environmental college for undergrad. My college is voted the "greenest" and best "in environmentalism" by the Sierra Club. Some of the nonsense they purported as "science" and "fact" back in 1989 actually is pretty false and untrue....doesn't mean we should do more to be better stewards and protect. It doesn't mean we should stop new technologies.......but fearmongering unger the guise of science does science itself a HUGE disservice

No, TV said there would be flying cars. WE have the science actually to to them now

and have for a bit

At this point I'll probably just stop talking about climate change in this discord. I'm disappointed to know that the MGTOW community doesn't take issues on a case by case basis and seems to just fully go along with American right-wing thinking. Like, there's no room for someone who thinks Kavanaugh is innocent and also thinks climate change is an extreme threat. You have to be a lib or conservative.

I am not a right winger

I didn't vote for Trump