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2019-10-07 16:49:08 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I think that Warren's solution to homelessness would be as ineffective as the current administrations response to housing. What's discussed in this Medium article is well-and-good if you're under threat of homelessness as a result of gentrification, but it doesn't actually address transitioning people out of homelessness. @Platinum Spark

2019-10-07 16:49:46 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Like if you're homeless without income, an increase in investment in low-to-middle income housing will literally do nothing for you.

2019-10-07 16:52:01 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

What're you basing that on?

2019-10-07 16:52:59 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I can't find any studies backing that claim, and I organize in my city. Most of the people on the street have been there 1-2 years, or they're periodically in and out of temporary housing situations

2019-10-07 16:55:38 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

The problem we should focus on chiefly is mental healthcare and harm reduction, if you're trying to tackle homelessness. I don't wholly disagree with the sentiment of decreasing rent (though something more aggressive than a 10% reduction is necessary), or incentivizing the expansion of more low-to-middle income housing, but presenting these things as viable solutions to solving homelessness is a mistake to me.

2019-10-07 16:57:01 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Actually addressing homelessness means a complete restructuring of mental healthcare, and a housing first approach.

2019-10-07 16:57:04 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Not like

2019-10-07 16:57:26 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

just building housing they're not mentally equipped to afford

2019-10-07 16:58:19 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Also the way they're defining chronically homeless doesn't account for those who are constantly in and out of temporary housing situations

2019-10-07 16:58:31 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

"*Chronically homeless individuals are individuals with disabilities who have either been continuously homeless for one year or more or who have experienced at least four episodes of homelessness in the past three years where the combined length of time homeless in those occasions is at least 12 months.*"

2019-10-07 16:58:43 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

And they also necessitate some form of disability

2019-10-07 16:59:18 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I'm not just talking about the disabled and people who're wholly unsheltered for an entire year. Anybody who cannot find a stable living situation is in just as shite a situation

2019-10-07 17:02:59 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I'm just talking about anybody without a stable living situation, I'm not sure how it ought to be arbitrarily understood for the sake of data-taking or particular social programs. If you can find somewhere to stay for 6 months in a program, but they put you back on the street at the end of the 6 months, you're suffering like any other unsheltered person to me because of the precarity involved with your living situation, but that's kind of beside the point.

2019-10-07 17:03:32 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Anybody who is without income outside of welfare, wouldn't be able to afford to live in a low-to-middle income housing situation

2019-10-07 17:03:42 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

And a 10% reduction wouldn't help them much either

2019-10-07 17:04:29 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

It's not a complete response to ending homelessness. Something like a Housing First policy or like we both agree single-payer could actually address the core cause of homelessness

2019-10-07 17:05:56 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I mean like I'm low-to-middle income. My housing combined with my roommate cost like 800 dollars

2019-10-07 17:06:01 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

10% means I get 40 more dollars

2019-10-07 17:06:21 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  


2019-10-07 17:06:34 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

a 40 dollar reduction doesn't make it accessible to people in lower income brackets.

2019-10-07 17:07:29 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I pay like around 400, if our rent was reduced 10%, I'd only pay 40 less a month

2019-10-07 17:07:34 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

THat's not a significant change.

2019-10-07 17:08:26 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

In terms of houses, like if you're taking out a mortgage, 10% is huge, but if you're renting, which is specifically what Warren talks about in that article, it can be miniscule.

2019-10-07 17:09:14 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Like it sounds big yearly, but when you contextualize that you pay monthly or bimonthly, you're unlikely to notice unless you're paying over a thousand dollars in rent, which low to middle income people aren't doing on the regular.

2019-10-07 17:09:36 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I live in Atlanta

2019-10-07 17:09:46 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

There's not housing for less than 1000 downtown

2019-10-07 17:09:47 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

But like

2019-10-07 17:09:53 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Nobody doing what I do for work lives downtown.

2019-10-07 17:12:59 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Sure if you live in like San Francisco or NYC, 10% on your rent as a low-to-middle income person is pretty substantial, but outside of areas NYC, San Francisco, LA, and maybe DC, like in the rest of the country, for renters it's negligible

2019-10-07 17:13:26 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Homeless people

2019-10-07 17:13:29 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

have no income

2019-10-07 17:13:31 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Decreasing rent

2019-10-07 17:13:33 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

won't help them

2019-10-07 17:13:54 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Or they have an income so low that they can't afford rent, and a 10% reduction won't get them into an apartment building.

2019-10-07 17:15:16 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Approaching a solution to homelessness through the lens of the marketplace is usually going to be ineffective. Countries which have near non-existent homeless populations employ Housing First and get them in homes without asking for rent.

2019-10-07 17:15:39 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

@3v6en8 Yeah like I said it'll help people dealing with gentrification, but it's not going to do anything if you're homeless

2019-10-07 17:16:21 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

What does a 10% reduction to rent do for someone on Skid Row?

2019-10-07 17:17:43 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Okay, if your rent goes up, and you can't afford it, and you decide to stay anyway with no plan to relocate yourself and that caused your homelessness, yeah it'll help you

2019-10-07 17:19:04 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

By a very strict definition of chronically homeless you've derived that number. If you're in and out of temporary living situations with no clear path to permanent housing, you're not counted as chronically homeless, and if you have no disability you're not counted as chronically homeless.

2019-10-07 17:19:56 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

So this number is absolutely flawed when a large chunk of the population which is habitually on the street is not counted.

2019-10-07 17:21:12 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I don't disagree with the official estimates, I think the categories they've created don't accurately reflect the number of people without places to stay on a regular basis.

2019-10-07 17:21:16 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

And it doesn't

2019-10-07 17:21:49 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I don't care about your data when it's arbitrarily decided if you have no disability, or if you've found a temporary housing situation, you don't count as chronically homeless

2019-10-07 17:25:37 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I didn't say anything about economics not working, I just said it's unlikely to alleviate homelessness in a sufficient way, and it does nothing to directly improve the conditions homeless people are living in. Believing Warren's solution of rent reduction is sufficient when it does nothing to improve job opportunities for the unsheltered, it does nothing to ensure housing for the unsheltered, and it generally doesn't sufficiently address how you transition people out of homelessness

2019-10-07 17:27:34 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

It will certainly help people who have an income, but the strata of the homeless without incomes, are not benefitting

2019-10-07 17:27:35 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I know

2019-10-07 17:28:11 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

BUt you presented it in the context of it as a democratic candidates plans to deal with homelessness

2019-10-07 17:31:03 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I'd just like to see democratic candidates address homelessness directly as opposed to discussing housing plans which tangentially may have a positive affect on the homeless.

2019-10-07 17:31:29 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Lots of people do something. The Trump Administration and state-level republicans do-something

2019-10-07 17:32:07 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

But it's not addressing the problem holistically, and they're not discussing it because I don't think they're prepared to talk about the steps which need to be taken to holistically eliminate homelessness

2019-10-07 17:40:52 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

As ineffective as I find Democrats to be on homelessness, at least they suggest and implement attempts at solutions. Republicans flat out lie about wanting to implement programs, or admit they're fine with the existence of a homeless population in the wealthiest country on the planet @!GoldenKingship!

@Charli Damelio I think it's sad that people lock themselves inside of a gender binary determined by biological essentialism and religious superstition

2019-10-07 17:45:28 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Literally what

2019-10-07 17:45:46 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I mostly post in Leftist circles are most centrist conservatives just like this now? @Platinum Spark

2019-10-07 17:46:05 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Like casual transphobia in the other channel and outright conspiratorial thinking

2019-10-07 17:46:33 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

2019 is wild.

2019-10-07 17:48:02 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

The Deep State killed Epstein and that they're going to be responsible for the deposition of Donald Trump

2019-10-07 17:48:24 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

What is the deep state?

2019-10-07 17:48:59 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  


2019-10-07 17:49:11 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

@3v6en8 That's just all of them

2019-10-07 17:51:54 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

@Vision Rich people.

2019-10-07 17:52:11 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Because you asked a question.\

2019-10-07 17:52:13 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  


2019-10-07 17:52:17 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

WHo owns the media corporations?

2019-10-07 17:52:26 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

"Think about who controls mass propaganda"

2019-10-07 17:52:34 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Nevermind it was just fragmented special mind talk

2019-10-07 17:52:35 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

My bad.

2019-10-07 17:52:58 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

No it's literally just always capital.

2019-10-07 17:53:17 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Who lobbies the government and funds candidates? @Vision

2019-10-07 17:54:21 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

The reality is that there isn't a complex conspiracy. There's just a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and the reality is more boring, and more depressing, than layers of clandestine organizations trying to control our lives

2019-10-07 17:54:35 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Most of it can just be understood as the possessed trying to generate profit

2019-10-07 17:54:37 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Because uh

2019-10-07 17:54:40 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

That's what it is

2019-10-07 17:55:00 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

@Platinum Spark Shiet you're right it's the satanic lizard aliens

2019-10-07 17:55:23 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

I think you've been watching too much infowars

2019-10-07 17:55:35 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

@Platinum Spark Within Marxism we use it to refer to the possessed class

2019-10-07 17:55:40 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Like people who own capital

2019-10-07 17:56:03 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

It is broad intentionally

2019-10-07 17:56:23 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

It's an entire class of people who all operate by generating their money the same way

2019-10-07 17:56:43 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  


2019-10-07 17:56:58 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

If you own stocks you're technically bourgeois

2019-10-07 17:57:16 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Yes there was a bourgeois revolution against the aristocratic classes in feudalism

2019-10-07 17:57:37 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Like a series of bourgeois revolutions

2019-10-07 17:57:57 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Where was there a peaceful transition from feudalism to capitalism?

2019-10-07 17:58:32 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

It literally was.

2019-10-07 17:58:39 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Class traitors exist

2019-10-07 17:58:44 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

and people can engage in class suicide

2019-10-07 17:58:49 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Engels owned a factory

2019-10-07 17:59:02 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

It is not unheard of for someone to go against their own class interest

2019-10-07 17:59:20 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  


2019-10-07 18:00:40 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

It is not forcing them into my narrative. If you were part of the noble classes, and you supported the expansion of land-ownership to the merchant class, you were working against the interest of the noble classes. You were absolutely a class traitor

2019-10-07 18:01:11 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

and if you were a possessed merchant trying to maintain feudalism, despite the fact it prevented your ownership of private property, you'd be working against your own class interest

2019-10-07 18:02:03 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

No, but actively fighting for the changing of the status quo, or maintenance of the status quo, in a way which harms your socioeconomic class, is the definition of being a class traitor @3v6en8

2019-10-07 18:02:45 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

Like if you're a slave, and you fight for the maintenance of slavery, you're a class traitor against the enslaved classes

2019-10-07 18:03:15 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

In the same way if you're a noble fighting for an end to feudal and semi-feudal conceptions of property and government, you are harming the class you're a part of

2019-10-07 18:04:03 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

@Platinum Spark Nobles supporting the maintenance of the aristocracy, and business owners, merchants, and non-noble land owners trying to destroy the aristocracy and replace it with some type of democratic process

2019-10-07 18:04:07 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  


2019-10-07 18:04:19 UTC [NEWS and POLITICS #trump]  

You can become a class traitor with the expectation that you'll be rewarded

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