Message from @fuck12moredeadcops

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2019-10-07 17:16:21 UTC  

GG @fuck12moredeadcops, you just advanced to level 2!

2019-10-07 17:16:52 UTC  

Well, if they were kicked out of their house because they couldn’t afford rent, it lets them move back into their house

2019-10-07 17:16:58 UTC  

So they’re no longer homeless

2019-10-07 17:17:43 UTC  

Okay, if your rent goes up, and you can't afford it, and you decide to stay anyway with no plan to relocate yourself and that caused your homelessness, yeah it'll help you

2019-10-07 17:17:48 UTC  

Honestly for skid row, its needs low income jobs and low income housing

2019-10-07 17:17:56 UTC  

...no

2019-10-07 17:18:06 UTC  

So remember that’s 76% of people

2019-10-07 17:18:12 UTC  

But the market moves as a whole

2019-10-07 17:18:28 UTC  

If someone higher up has a rent reduction, it allows them to upgrade

2019-10-07 17:18:37 UTC  

Making room for someone lower on the chain and so on

2019-10-07 17:18:44 UTC  

Like I’m not saying it solves all the problems

2019-10-07 17:18:49 UTC  

Nice way of saying that

2019-10-07 17:19:04 UTC  

By a very strict definition of chronically homeless you've derived that number. If you're in and out of temporary living situations with no clear path to permanent housing, you're not counted as chronically homeless, and if you have no disability you're not counted as chronically homeless.

2019-10-07 17:19:20 UTC  

But obviously if you have a 10% alleviation in rent it lowers housing costs

2019-10-07 17:19:26 UTC  

So?

2019-10-07 17:19:42 UTC  

If you are alleviating for some you are alleviating for all

2019-10-07 17:19:56 UTC  

So this number is absolutely flawed when a large chunk of the population which is habitually on the street is not counted.

2019-10-07 17:20:06 UTC  

Because the people who ARE helped are no longer taxing the system, and can provide help for the others

2019-10-07 17:20:12 UTC  

You have no data to support that claim.

2019-10-07 17:20:38 UTC  

If you disagree with official estimates, then provide alternative data

2019-10-07 17:21:12 UTC  

I don't disagree with the official estimates, I think the categories they've created don't accurately reflect the number of people without places to stay on a regular basis.

2019-10-07 17:21:14 UTC  

I don’t care about your anecdotes, come play with data

2019-10-07 17:21:16 UTC  

And it doesn't

2019-10-07 17:21:44 UTC  

Ok, so obviously if you alleviate housing prices it decreases homelessness

2019-10-07 17:21:49 UTC  

I don't care about your data when it's arbitrarily decided if you have no disability, or if you've found a temporary housing situation, you don't count as chronically homeless

2019-10-07 17:21:50 UTC  

Shocked that I have to say that

2019-10-07 17:22:02 UTC  

Do you have data for how many people that is?

2019-10-07 17:22:10 UTC  

Yes, you’ve made it clear you don’t care about data

2019-10-07 17:22:23 UTC  

Just you work with some people so you feel strongly that economics doesn’t work.

2019-10-07 17:24:01 UTC  

And you misread what it says about disabilities

2019-10-07 17:25:17 UTC  

Homeless in and out of housing are consider cyclically homeless, they are not counted as transitionally homeless

2019-10-07 17:25:37 UTC  

I didn't say anything about economics not working, I just said it's unlikely to alleviate homelessness in a sufficient way, and it does nothing to directly improve the conditions homeless people are living in. Believing Warren's solution of rent reduction is sufficient when it does nothing to improve job opportunities for the unsheltered, it does nothing to ensure housing for the unsheltered, and it generally doesn't sufficiently address how you transition people out of homelessness

2019-10-07 17:27:25 UTC  

That’s a housing plan, not a homelessness plan.

2019-10-07 17:27:34 UTC  

It will certainly help people who have an income, but the strata of the homeless without incomes, are not benefitting

2019-10-07 17:27:35 UTC  

I know

2019-10-07 17:27:51 UTC  

Ok, you’re just flexing

2019-10-07 17:27:55 UTC  

Cool, I agree.

2019-10-07 17:28:11 UTC  

BUt you presented it in the context of it as a democratic candidates plans to deal with homelessness

2019-10-07 17:28:36 UTC  

To a republican

2019-10-07 17:28:54 UTC  

Not as a holistic plan to deal with homelessness

2019-10-07 17:29:04 UTC  

But the target here is salient