Message from @fuck12moredeadcops
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and if you were a possessed merchant trying to maintain feudalism, despite the fact it prevented your ownership of private property, you'd be working against your own class interest
No, you wouldn’t
Being in one class and thinking like another does not make you a class traitor
Because you’d be trying to buy your way into the second estate
Meanwhile, a class of liberals (of all estates) we’re trying to give the king more power
While the conservatives wanted to devolve powers to the nobles
No, but actively fighting for the changing of the status quo, or maintenance of the status quo, in a way which harms your socioeconomic class, is the definition of being a class traitor @3v6en8
Shit then fuck me
I have an opinon on capital gains tax
fuck the poor
thats what i should do right?
So which were class traitors, the nobles who wanted to give more power to the king, or give more power to the regional assemblies
Like if you're a slave, and you fight for the maintenance of slavery, you're a class traitor against the enslaved classes
Here’s a different question- who in the French Revolution was NOT a class traitor
In the same way if you're a noble fighting for an end to feudal and semi-feudal conceptions of property and government, you are harming the class you're a part of
What if they were doing that because they felt it was their best chance to maintain power?
@Platinum Spark Nobles supporting the maintenance of the aristocracy, and business owners, merchants, and non-noble land owners trying to destroy the aristocracy and replace it with some type of democratic process
It’s just the whole French Revolution was WAY more complex than you’re making it out to be
Sure
Really complex
everyone wanted power
Is being a class traitor a problem?
The maintainence of the aristocracy- does trying to give more power to the king count as maintainence of the aristocracy?
Not necessarily
I think bourgeois class traitors like Engels are pretty neat
The merchants and business owners were not trying to destroy the aristocracy, they were trying to buy into it
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*new money*
They were staunch defenders of the aristocracy in many cases
Yeah; and they were largely richer than the aristocracy
But they didn't have power or prestige
Because they controlled like, shipping and commercial enterprises, rather than the agriculture that used to make money 200 years prior
Then when things erupted into revolutionary violence, why did the vast majority of merchants and business owners support the establishment of the democratic republic? @Platinum Spark
Anyone interested in getting into it, check out Revolutions by Mike Duncan
@fuck12moredeadcops when violence first erupted? No
They did not
The first violence was grain riots
But they didn't resist things like the National Constituent Assembly abolishing what was left of feudalism in the country
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