how..?

Small business - come in all shape and sizes

You’re framing any of the MANY liberal nobles, or conservative bourgeoise as class traitors

To force them into a narrative

The French Revolution was not even broadly about the 3rd estate vs the second estate

Like where do the enlightened monarchists fit in?

It is not forcing them into my narrative. If you were part of the noble classes, and you supported the expansion of land-ownership to the merchant class, you were working against the interest of the noble classes. You were absolutely a class traitor

No

and if you were a possessed merchant trying to maintain feudalism, despite the fact it prevented your ownership of private property, you'd be working against your own class interest

No, you wouldn’t

Being in one class and thinking like another does not make you a class traitor

Because you’d be trying to buy your way into the second estate

Meanwhile, a class of liberals (of all estates) we’re trying to give the king more power

While the conservatives wanted to devolve powers to the nobles

No, but actively fighting for the changing of the status quo, or maintenance of the status quo, in a way which harms your socioeconomic class, is the definition of being a class traitor @3v6en8

Shit then fuck me

I have an opinon on capital gains tax

fuck the poor

thats what i should do right?

So which were class traitors, the nobles who wanted to give more power to the king, or give more power to the regional assemblies

Like if you're a slave, and you fight for the maintenance of slavery, you're a class traitor against the enslaved classes

Here’s a different question- who in the French Revolution was NOT a class traitor

In the same way if you're a noble fighting for an end to feudal and semi-feudal conceptions of property and government, you are harming the class you're a part of

What if they were doing that because they felt it was their best chance to maintain power?

@Platinum Spark Nobles supporting the maintenance of the aristocracy, and business owners, merchants, and non-noble land owners trying to destroy the aristocracy and replace it with some type of democratic process

It’s just the whole French Revolution was WAY more complex than you’re making it out to be

Sure

Really complex

You can become a class traitor with the expectation that you'll be rewarded

everyone wanted power

Is being a class traitor a problem?

The maintainence of the aristocracy- does trying to give more power to the king count as maintainence of the aristocracy?

Not necessarily

I think bourgeois class traitors like Engels are pretty neat

The merchants and business owners were not trying to destroy the aristocracy, they were trying to buy into it

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*new money*

They were staunch defenders of the aristocracy in many cases

Yeah; and they were largely richer than the aristocracy

But they didn't have power or prestige

Because they controlled like, shipping and commercial enterprises, rather than the agriculture that used to make money 200 years prior