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Believing in a communist society has the same merit as believing in an Aryan supernation, their theories cannot come to fruition because they are not based in reality. Dialectical materialism is a poor way to describe history because it doesn't account for a plethora of other factors that cause history to ebb and flow

Religion, weather, social norms etc. Dialectics only refers to the class structure, in terms of marxism

This still doesn't address the fact that there is not historical precedent for a global communist society. There isn't even precedent for a national communist society. You are taking a big leap in logic by inferring that this stateless global order must form because of previous changes in the mode of production.

Society will change, but not in the drastic leap that communists believe will happen

Unless you hand control of the means of production to AI, then you may have a better argument

But that wouldn't be communism then because the proletarian would not exist

I'm talking about theory, even then I haven't done much research about a global AI order haha

The proletarian will be replaced by the AI in any case. The proletarian is subject to extinction within the next 60 years in fact

They tore it apart, then communists lit the remains on fire

The industrialization program was started by the tsar, the Soviets just continued it

@☭ Anon ☭ I mean that there will no longer be a working class once AI can do any meaningful job, but faster

and more efficiently

Machines are coldly logical. Population growth will cause them to make the only logical decision. There is no such thing as post scarcity, as long as there are growing populations there will always be a struggle for resources

Food production has a maximum level, the earth does not have enough resources to support the population of the Earth if every nation can produce surpluses. In the short term there will be massive population growth but it is unsustainable in the long run

AI's growth is exponential, it is highly likely that we will see AI capable of handling the macro economy

We still have the same base problem though of population growth and climate change. Do we just keep spreading and using up every resource until we all starve?

AI, while incredibly useful, will cause a greater change to the global economy than the industrial revolution and it will come a million times faster and harder

By then its too late

Who controls the capital is irrelevant. It is the mode of production that will cause global problems, mainly industrial/tech based industries

Imagine a global dust bowl, that is the result of permanent mass agricultural production

We also don't need to produce that much food relatively speaking. In a hundred years much of the coastal population will move inward and impede on agricultural production. For the land that is used, it will have to be constantly used at maximum capacity

This will inevitably cause soil degradation, and later mass starvation

I'm talking about long term theory currently. This is my estimation of future events given historical precedent

It's actually pretty late by me currently. Thanks for the conversation guys, but I'm gonna get off

Replace Jew with bourgeoisie and German with Proletariat and you essentially have the backbone of communism

Communism and National Socialism are mirror images of each other

Equal and opposite

“The Jews will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.” “The way to crush the Jews is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.” "How “troublesome”! cried the Jewish pig, which deems itself educated, but in fact is dirty, repulsive, overfat and smug..."

Which quotes are from Nazis vs ones that are from communists but altered?

The same rhetoric is used against the bourgeois boogeyman. My point is the rhetoric is almost interchangeable

Anything that you claim is caused by the bourgeoisie can equally be said about Jews. Both ideologies play on peoples' fear of what essentially amounts to a global conspiracy

Also vice versa, change Jew for Bourgeois and you have communist rhetoric

The existence and influence of Jews is equally as observable as those of capitalists

Communists and fascists both rely on fear to gather political support.

Communist rhetoric is built on the fear of the bourgeois

Do you fear being oppressed?

You only fight things that frighten you

Fight or flight, it is the natural response to fear

Communists invoke fear of an unknown international order to rally supporters to violently overthrow their oppressors.

Nazis invoke fear of an unknown international order to rally supporters to violently overthrow their oppressors.

Like I said, equal and opposite ideologies

Fear of oppression is the number one recruiting tool for both movements

Nazis argue that their vision of the future is also better than the current system.

That doesn't legitimize either movement

Both movements utilize a utopian vision of the future in order to mobilize their followers for inevitable violent conflict

Communists believe that starvation, poverty and sickness can be eradicated in a communist society. Sounds quite utopian to me

It's getting pretty late by me, I gtg

It would seem that dialectic thought would imply that the state will continue to grow as has been historically shown, rather than the stateless utopia that Marx envisioned

If it comes at a cost to flexibility, then yes

The Great Replacement is a byproduct of consumerism and the profit-at-all-costs mindset, it is not an end goal in and of itself

Don't trust e-girls

Simonsen is her real name

Beefsteak nazis^^

Strasserism seems to be NatSoc but hates Jews due to their representation as major Capitalists rather than racial animus. Also it has more in common with marxism in terms of worker liberation

Imagine dying in a hierarchical military as a communist

My ancestors killed the commies and fascists

Japan was a militaristic aristocracy

If I was a communist I would be Kim Jong Un, he's the last communist with a state standing

That's communist heresy

Stalin was a literal National Socialist👌

That moment when you advocate for purging your political foes😂

Supporting Stalin's purge is just like supporting the Night Of Long Knives because it reduced German bureaucracy

It still doesn't justify political purges.

Then that justifies the HUAC in the 50s

Hell, that means the HUAC didn't go far enough

What if I told you women elected Hitler

Seize the means of PAWduction

The elevator constructors union is always looking for potential recruits. They get paid really well once you are done with your apprenticeship

Really any union job is a good choice, I've never heard a union worker complain about their wages👌

Don't trust e-girls

Literally parasites

Israel without a doubt. The only nation that would benefit strategically from the destruction of Iran is Israel. They aren't powerful enough to directly attack their own enemies so they will try to manipulate the US into attacking first

Dialectics have shown that the state will grow with the advent of new technology. It is unreasonable to assume that it will disappear ever

Communism is impossible in industrial societies. There are too many variables when it comes to determining equality

Maybe in agricultural societies but probably not

The state dying out is an entirely unfounded assumption based on history

Still, there is no historic precedence for the state magically dying out in areas where the means of production can be worker owned (ie small homesteads)

If we are being real, ww2 would have been a very different tale if Italy wasn't involved

Even with their incompetence, the Allied powers took 6 years to grind the Axis down

There is no logic to the state dying in the future. It will be a necessary instrument for organizing society. That is the purpose of the state

Even in areas where the means of production are worker owned (like I said, homesteads and farming communities), there is still a government

If it isn't stateless then it isn't communist

Even if the means of production are owned by the proletariat they still institute a state to organize society their way. The state is an inevitable construct of human organization

@Monolith I just described societies in which there are no class distinctions and they still go on to formulate a state. The state is an inevitability in human society, especially in more complex industrial ones

@Monolith How about Amish societies, what are the classes present in those?

@Monolith So what are the classes present in those societies? You haven't answered my question

So are you unable to describe the class structure in an Amish society?

@Monolith It is egalitarian, traditional, technologically primitive and modest in nature. The Amish are incredibly self reliant and very rarely utilize the technology of the outside world. They utilize more primitive technology in order to maintain their communal morality and abstain from modernism, which they see as morally degenerating. They are an agricultural people but also engage in older arts such as ironcraft and carpentry. Any given Amish person within an Amish community is nearly guaranteed to have the same standard of living as every other Amish. Everyone is clothed similarly and you are entitled to the fruits of the community's labor.

No, they don't have a lord

@Monolith Then agricultural communities are the only ones that can reasonably attain "communism". Even then there will still be a state

@Monolith Class is already abolished in agricultural communities. Wealth cannot be distributed evenly in an industrial society. There are too many material factors to determine what is truly equal. Anyways, in agricultural societies the means of production are already owned by those who work them. Why fight for the industrial world when communism is possible in the fields

Within their communities there are no class distinctions

It is a class that you are prescribing to them. They would see class as an alien concept

Not really, it is an observation of the Amish lifestyle

@Monolith You are trying to falsely classify some sort of class structure within Amish society which does not exist

Even if I concede that point, which I don't, their class still owns the means of production and they receive the entire fruit of their labor. They own the entire value of what they create

The same could be said about proletarian communism