Murder workers opposition

Exactly, so you can't say he was elected

Make deals with the capitalist class

@Monolith I just described societies in which there are no class distinctions and they still go on to formulate a state. The state is an inevitability in human society, especially in more complex industrial ones

He was appointed to a position then took control from there

And basically walk into the halls of power with a red carpet

This is a mess because of Danny @Danny Sullivan

@Americus Except classes do exist in even those societies

@Monolith primitive communism wasn’t big enough to be a large scale society

For example the kulak and the middle peasent in Russia

I'm just proving your bullshit wrong

@Danny Sullivan what a cowardly way to let Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky to do all the hard work during the Russian Civil War, only to then take advantage of Lenin's death and exile Trotsky, and making yourself become leader despite minimal contributions to the actual struggle besides robbing banks.

You don't like it fuck you

@Monolith How about Amish societies, what are the classes present in those?

@Deleted User see the Gdańsk area was mutli ethnic it's been like that for a while a bunch of Poles and Germans live there but is culturally important to Poland

Danny the homo

@Deleted User who are you talking about

@Valeska-ἑταίρα Danzig is also culturally important to Germany, the region was controlled by Germany in some way or another for over two centuries

@Americus Those societies are not independent of the state they exist in, they still play a role in the overall economic structure

@Danny Sullivan Stalin

@Monolith So what are the classes present in those societies? You haven't answered my question

@Deleted User but it was also Polish for quite a while as well you can't deny that

@Deleted User Stalin was a General in the red army and played a massive role in winning the revolution and civil war

Not to mention they are still a class akin to peasentry

Hitler never lead any grass roots movement

Stalin just fucked around in Tsaritsyn and lost the Polish war

Stalin wasn't in the Polish war

That was Trotsky who lost it

He was the officer in charge of that war

Tortsky

No Stalin's refusal to guard Trotsky's flanks is what allowed the Poles to make their stunning counteroffensive

Stalin was a commander in the war too, but not as senior

I mean throughout the entire war Poland did really well

It wasn't Trotsky's flanks it was Tukhachevsky iirc

Even in the beginning of the war with Germany Poland was amazing

It wasn't until Stalin invaded did they lose

40:1

To deny the existence of class in Amish society is to assume its not just a culture within a specific economic class

@Honey Beanger I mean it was literally true

Yeah

Poland would've won a geurilla war