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2019-05-30 00:19:15 UTC

Planning, get the politics role in <#583085483136122900> if you wish to take part in the future!

this is not a joke

america has killed more than millions in the middle east

2019-05-31 15:42:40 UTC


2019-05-31 15:46:26 UTC

yeah bruv it's million

2019-05-31 15:46:37 UTC

oh and "millions"

2019-05-31 15:46:49 UTC

by that definiton is should be a billion

2019-05-31 15:46:54 UTC

check n' mate libtard

i typed too fast

anyone could mistake

even bush killed iraqis and said that was a mistake

even bush killed iraqis and said that was a mistake

2019-05-31 16:12:52 UTC


2019-05-31 16:12:57 UTC

meaning US? yeah its terrible.

2019-05-31 17:09:06 UTC

no one likes USA

only zionists

2019-05-31 17:52:10 UTC

islam has carried out over 35k terrorist attacks resulting in atleast 1 injury since 2001

2019-05-31 17:52:14 UTC

127 in the past 30 days

go blame the people who funded them

2019-05-31 18:35:47 UTC

i think there's plenty of blame for both sides

then blame the people who started it

2019-05-31 18:39:06 UTC

Or blame the actual terrorists instead of their religion

isis was created for political reasons

2019-05-31 18:40:06 UTC

Of course

it;s saudi money

2019-05-31 18:40:15 UTC

I mean, religion was partly created for political reasons

they mixed our religion with terrorism

2019-05-31 18:40:40 UTC

But the Quran is not some kind of warrant to kill innocent people

saudi gov is behind all these so called islamic terrorist atacks

but u.s supports saudi

2019-05-31 18:40:51 UTC

It's the terrorists who are retarded enough to believe that

2019-05-31 18:41:09 UTC

The U.S. is gay

2019-05-31 18:41:15 UTC

The saudis are gay

2019-05-31 18:41:19 UTC

ISIS is gay

2019-05-31 18:41:26 UTC

What is there to say


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2019-05-31 18:41:47 UTC

Makes sense

and people who support them

2019-05-31 18:41:52 UTC


2019-05-31 18:41:57 UTC

Just maths

what made u have these types of thoughts

others are like: "muslims are terrorists" "muhammad is a pedophile" "kill all the muslims"

"muslims are invading"

2019-05-31 18:44:35 UTC

Because firstly, I believe there is nothing that can justify hideous crimes like murder, including the Quran or the law,

2019-05-31 18:44:58 UTC

And if anyone or anything commands you to do so, it's your responsibility to refuse

quran talks about jiha

jihad is not going and killing all the non-muslims

2019-05-31 18:45:38 UTC

Secondly, your religion says nothing about you as a person, rather about your culture

jihad means fight against people who fight us

2019-05-31 18:45:53 UTC

I met muslims who are retarded, but they're mostly nice, caring people

jihad means defending, fighting back

radical muslims are dumb

2019-05-31 18:46:05 UTC

Yeah I guess

they got the wrong path

2019-05-31 18:46:31 UTC

The problem with the Quran is that it's hard to decide what it even tries to convey

they follow Wahhabism not islam

2019-05-31 18:46:54 UTC

Because many Arab words don't really correspond with our language and ideas

2019-05-31 18:46:58 UTC

And some have double meanings

arabic is hard tho

wahhabism is the root of terrorism

the problem is usa supports wahhabi saudis and blames muslims for their own crimes

if islam teaches terrorism, we'll all be with guns

we'll all be same like isis

2019-05-31 18:49:10 UTC

Most terrorists aren't being sent by an Islamic state

but some muslims are dumb that they could do anything for money

2019-05-31 18:49:26 UTC

Not sure about that by the way

u.s needs stop securing saudi

2019-05-31 18:49:55 UTC


they are committing war crimes in yemen

2019-05-31 18:50:19 UTC

Everyone is committing war crimes in yemen lol

houthi and saudi gov are enemies

2019-05-31 18:50:46 UTC

It's the prime example of how not to make a state

this is a sunni-shia war lol

we sunnis are the normal muslims

shias are like

2019-05-31 18:51:13 UTC

Sunnis and shias should stop caring about eachother

you know shias wants to destroy the holy sites of islam

they want iran to be the holy land

houthi tried to aim mecca

but it failed

2019-05-31 18:52:27 UTC

Seems like you're generalizing a bit

well i know everything about my religion

2019-05-31 18:53:13 UTC

I doubt every single shia intends to destroy their cultural heritage

shias are radical then us sunnis

2019-05-31 18:53:29 UTC

Just as I doubt every white man is christian

they hurt themselves

2019-05-31 18:53:47 UTC

*Generally*, if that's the case

2019-05-31 18:53:57 UTC

No people is by definition evil

quran has written clearly not to hurt yourselves

but the shias reject that

suicide is prohibited

2019-05-31 18:54:23 UTC

They view it differently

rape is prohibited

2019-05-31 18:54:29 UTC

Which isn't bad necessarily

2019-05-31 18:54:36 UTC

The Quran can be interpreted various ways

sex without marriage is prohibited

isis rapes women lol

2019-05-31 18:54:45 UTC

Which is gay

2019-05-31 18:54:51 UTC

Isis is retarded

2019-05-31 18:54:55 UTC

Not all shias are Isis

shias are not isis

2019-05-31 18:55:04 UTC


isis call themselves sunni

2019-05-31 18:55:13 UTC

Oh, didn't know that

iran is shia

houthi is shia

hezbollah is shia

2019-05-31 18:55:34 UTC

I don't understand why shias and sunni's can't just chill a bit

2019-05-31 18:55:42 UTC

There's no reason to hate people for having different views

they are the people who corrupted our religion

and wahhabis

2019-05-31 18:56:18 UTC

In your eyes they corrupted it, in their eyes they improved it

not all shias are bad

2019-05-31 18:56:24 UTC

Not because they're bad people,

2019-05-31 18:56:34 UTC

But because they think what they do is right

iranian shias are bad

2019-05-31 18:56:41 UTC

And that what they think is the truth

2019-05-31 18:56:45 UTC

Just the same as you

they believe that iran is the holy land

sunni islam is the right islam lol

shias follow ali

we follow muhammad

2019-05-31 18:57:16 UTC

There is no right or wrong outside of your perception

2019-05-31 18:57:25 UTC

Unless what they do is actually morally wrong

idol worshipers are the worst

worse than atheists

2019-05-31 18:58:40 UTC

Personally think any worshipper is the worst

2019-05-31 18:58:56 UTC

It's pointless

i respect your opinion lol

because atheists hate all religions

2019-05-31 18:59:47 UTC

If you're religious, which I think is pointless, at least understand that an almighty and allknowing God does not care about your sacrifices or prayer

2019-05-31 19:00:04 UTC

Because he did not put you on this earth for you to waste time on telling him what he already knows

i practice my religion normally

i'm not religious

religious muslims are like, "wtf this guy watches porn we should punish him"

normal muslims are like "let them live whatever they want, we should live in the right way"

2019-05-31 19:01:35 UTC

That's good

quran says not to insult others god

not to attack a house of worship

[any religion\

2019-05-31 19:02:38 UTC

It's okay to believe what you believe, as long as you let others believe what they believe

yes i don't care about others believe

religious wars are just stupid

people just need to be chill

@boazzie anyways where are you from

2019-05-31 19:06:40 UTC

The Netherlands

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i have like 4 dutch friends

2019-05-31 19:07:10 UTC

Yea we have a lot of Turks here

immigrants or legal

2019-05-31 19:07:44 UTC

We have 500.000 Turks here

2019-05-31 19:07:47 UTC


2019-05-31 19:07:59 UTC

500k out of 17 million

it's still a minority tho

2019-05-31 19:08:10 UTC

Quite a lot

2019-05-31 19:08:16 UTC

Yes, of course

2019-05-31 19:08:35 UTC

Why is that good?

lol as i said

"turks are invading Netherlands"

2019-05-31 19:09:29 UTC


shit happens ya know

2019-05-31 19:09:34 UTC

True true

nice talking to u, i need to take a nap i guess

2019-05-31 19:18:59 UTC


2019-06-03 23:04:16 UTC

*Leviathan* by Thomas Hobbes πŸ‘Œ

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2019-06-03 23:06:00 UTC

John Locke countered that years later man

2019-06-03 23:08:00 UTC

Nevertheless, his treatise still has value

2019-06-04 14:21:24 UTC

Locke didnt negate leviathan lol

2019-06-04 14:23:30 UTC

Who cares whether he has polemicised or not, just read the source material

2019-06-05 13:14:04 UTC

Does anybody know some good books/literature about National Syndicalism ? .

2019-06-05 13:14:23 UTC

i am interested in learning more about it

2019-06-05 13:15:26 UTC

@Hawei sorel

2019-06-10 01:41:02 UTC

im going to start a political action group

2019-06-10 01:45:40 UTC

im **heavily** interested cloning. human cloning in particular. and Gene Splicing if anyone is interested in my ideas come to room 1 or dm me

2019-06-10 01:45:56 UTC


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2019-06-13 18:27:36 UTC

tits for presidante

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move here without these retard

2019-06-14 06:19:06 UTC


2019-06-14 06:19:35 UTC

Believing in a communist society has the same merit as believing in an Aryan supernation, their theories cannot come to fruition because they are not based in reality. Dialectical materialism is a poor way to describe history because it doesn't account for a plethora of other factors that cause history to ebb and flow

2019-06-14 06:19:46 UTC

how does dialects not account for the other factors

2019-06-14 06:19:57 UTC

dialects considers every factor in the progression of society

2019-06-14 06:20:46 UTC

Religion, weather, social norms etc. Dialectics only refers to the class structure, in terms of marxism

2019-06-14 06:23:14 UTC

Organization of an economic system can in theory be changed and succeed

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2019-06-14 06:23:23 UTC

let me take this

2019-06-14 06:23:37 UTC

However this loose nonsense idea of Aryans and racial superiority is nothing more than wishful thinking

2019-06-14 06:23:41 UTC

That is all

2019-06-14 06:27:14 UTC

No, historical materialism is a thing as well. Historical materialism considers all of these things interconnected, all of each of these factors exist as a factor of the progression of history, for example we can see religion is changed through the social conditions of the time, social norms are the largest determining factor in many of these. Also how does weather have anything to do with economic progression wtf? History is not a progression of accidents. We see that dialectically as I have already stated these things are factors as well, we see these factors usually shift off of the social conditions, which is determined by the economic conditions. As Stalin says on the interconnectivity of nature; ```Contrary to metaphysics, dialects does not regard nature as an accidental agglomeration of things, of phenomena, disconnected with, isolated from, and independent of, each other, but as a connected and integral whole, in such things phenomena are organically connected with, dependent on, and determined by each other,.```

2019-06-14 06:29:24 UTC

@cmad fascists can't read that much

2019-06-14 06:29:28 UTC

You're scarring them

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2019-06-14 06:31:31 UTC

This still doesn't address the fact that there is not historical precedent for a global communist society. There isn't even precedent for a national communist society. You are taking a big leap in logic by inferring that this stateless global order must form because of previous changes in the mode of production.

2019-06-14 06:31:46 UTC

*national communist society*

2019-06-14 06:32:16 UTC

Society will change, but not in the drastic leap that communists believe will happen

2019-06-14 06:32:43 UTC

Unless you hand control of the means of production to AI, then you may have a better argument

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2019-06-14 06:33:18 UTC

But that wouldn't be communism then because the proletarian would not exist

2019-06-14 06:33:18 UTC

We have a transhumanist

2019-06-14 06:33:48 UTC

I'm talking about theory, even then I haven't done much research about a global AI order haha

2019-06-14 06:35:07 UTC

Communism is an inevitability because of scientific advancement. Our productivity will gradually reach a point where communism is the only reasonable system

2019-06-14 06:35:50 UTC

Though it’s a much better idea to discuss socialism because that is achievable now

2019-06-14 06:36:01 UTC

and it has been observed

2019-06-14 06:36:07 UTC

The proletarian will be replaced by the AI in any case. The proletarian is subject to extinction within the next 60 years in fact

2019-06-14 06:36:37 UTC

Socialism was extremely successful in the USSR

2019-06-14 06:36:55 UTC

Greatly improved the standards of living for the people their

2019-06-14 06:37:15 UTC

And rapidly industrialized a back water nation into an economic power house

2019-06-14 06:37:29 UTC

In just a little under 50 years

2019-06-14 06:37:35 UTC

Do you mean through an extinction event or through the collapse of capitalism when you say β€œthe proletariat is subject to extinction”

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