At least with fascists I actually know where I stand

Communists constantly fucked me over for their own personal gain

I was attacked by more commies for being gay

Than fascists

@Monolith obviously there are physical differences

@Danny Sullivan human equality is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Are the scientists and the mentally disabled "equal"? Are the weak and the strong "equal"? Are the wicked and the righteous "equal"?

@Deleted User daddy please don't

@Monolith Class is already abolished in agricultural communities. Wealth cannot be distributed evenly in an industrial society. There are too many material factors to determine what is truly equal. Anyways, in agricultural societies the means of production are already owned by those who work them. Why fight for the industrial world when communism is possible in the fields

Kultro go be a sperg somewhere else

@Danny Sullivan Well then we agree, no need to elaborate, let them knoe

@Deleted User no

@Deleted User do you see the life of a disabled person as less meaningful than that of a healthy one

@Americus Except it isn't abolished, I just explained that the Amish are of the peasentry class

Class: A group of people sharing common relations to labor and the means of production.

Within their communities there are no class distinctions

@Danny Sullivan answer my question first

If they're so disabled keeping them alive is more resources than they can produce isn't worth it

They are clearly a class, your point does not count as they clearly belong in the definition of class

@Deleted User equal in what way

There's several different ways to compare people

It is a class that you are prescribing to them. They would see class as an alien concept

At least Stephen Hawking actually contributed to society

Does that matter? That is an idealist claim to make.

Most disabled people don't do anything

But cause the family grief

Not really, it is an observation of the Amish lifestyle

I am applying a material definition to people who fit within it.

We all know what equal means, unless you're specifying a certain characteristic it's usually equality across the board that is referred to when someone espouses Egalitarianism.

@Valeska-ἑταίρα most families love their children

Materialist view vs Idealist

Disabled or not

@Deleted User then you'll agree that all human life is fundamentally equal since we all know what kind of equal we're talking about here apparently

@Monolith You are trying to falsely classify some sort of class structure within Amish society which does not exist

Their opinion as to whether or not they constitute as a class is irrelevant considering their actual material relations to the means of production.

You are using an idealist, anti-materialistic argument.

Human life isn't equal, each being is unqiue with certain talents and certain defects

Even if I concede that point, which I don't, their class still owns the means of production and they receive the entire fruit of their labor. They own the entire value of what they create

The class structure of the Amish is a single one, peasentry

The same could be said about proletarian communism

But they still participate in the economic apparatus of the state

Therefore they are simply one class within the state