Message from @Americus
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@Danny Sullivan human equality is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Are the scientists and the mentally disabled "equal"? Are the weak and the strong "equal"? Are the wicked and the righteous "equal"?
@Deleted User daddy please don't
@Monolith Class is already abolished in agricultural communities. Wealth cannot be distributed evenly in an industrial society. There are too many material factors to determine what is truly equal. Anyways, in agricultural societies the means of production are already owned by those who work them. Why fight for the industrial world when communism is possible in the fields
Kultro go be a sperg somewhere else
@Danny Sullivan Well then we agree, no need to elaborate, let them knoe
@Deleted User do you see the life of a disabled person as less meaningful than that of a healthy one
@Americus Except it isn't abolished, I just explained that the Amish are of the peasentry class
Class: A group of people sharing common relations to labor and the means of production.
Within their communities there are no class distinctions
@Danny Sullivan answer my question first
If they're so disabled keeping them alive is more resources than they can produce isn't worth it
They are clearly a class, your point does not count as they clearly belong in the definition of class
@Deleted User equal in what way
There's several different ways to compare people
It is a class that you are prescribing to them. They would see class as an alien concept
At least Stephen Hawking actually contributed to society
Does that matter? That is an idealist claim to make.
Most disabled people don't do anything
But cause the family grief
I am applying a material definition to people who fit within it.
We all know what equal means, unless you're specifying a certain characteristic it's usually equality across the board that is referred to when someone espouses Egalitarianism.
@Valeska-ἑταίρα most families love their children
Materialist view vs Idealist
Disabled or not
@Deleted User then you'll agree that all human life is fundamentally equal since we all know what kind of equal we're talking about here apparently
@Monolith You are trying to falsely classify some sort of class structure within Amish society which does not exist
Their opinion as to whether or not they constitute as a class is irrelevant considering their actual material relations to the means of production.
You are using an idealist, anti-materialistic argument.
Human life isn't equal, each being is unqiue with certain talents and certain defects
Even if I concede that point, which I don't, their class still owns the means of production and they receive the entire fruit of their labor. They own the entire value of what they create
The class structure of the Amish is a single one, peasentry
The same could be said about proletarian communism
But they still participate in the economic apparatus of the state
Therefore they are simply one class within the state
They are separate from the state. Their right to religious freedom separates them from violating their religious beliefs
That is simply not the case, they have no actual autonomy, they obviously have to interact within the state economic apparatus.
I hate this month
@Monolith they actually have their own autonomy
Which their entire class does, they sell agricultural produce