nearly 200 years of anti-authoritarian theory that influenced marx

destroyed by a basic ass one-sided circlejerk statement

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Anarchists are libertarians. Right wingers stole the word.

@clarabee They stole everything else too.

>be bad at stealing

>complain about people being good at stealing

>never get good at stealing

There's a reason you're called goyim.

is this man being ironic <:Thonk:291442234199375872>

i cant tell the difference between nazbol shitpost and /pol/ anymore

I'm using the terminology of the local control system

Kyun there has never Been a difference between them

Socialism keeps intelligent people living hand to mouth.

It's disgusting.

...why are we allowing him hre

Because I'm a bellwether of free speech, faggot.

dont be homophobic

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Dont be a faggot.

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thats homophobic

That's being a faggot.

homophobe

Fag

dont be the homophone

Be the fag

i wont deny that i am a homophone tho

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best phone

Daddy's home.

traditional family roles are authoritarian and hierarchical

just like communism

kappa

I don't see the problem there.

i dont see a problem with your mom

Authority and hierarchy are necessary in groups.

Get Roasted he doesnt see a problem with your mom

So. Do you wanna fuck or not?

Fucking rekt

owned

sex is hierarchical

You're the one who brought up sex.

cute

lets all agree

Fags are fags

Homophones

Fags = fags

no one saw that

Traps = gay

Saw what?

no one saw that

Niggers

nothing

@Deleted User racist

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indeed i am

fuck niggers

There's literally nothing wrong with racism.

Nigger is racist only in Unitedstatian English, in British English it was a neutral word used by likes of Marx.

like litteraly tho

I hate that USaian uncultural imperialism, we shouldn't allow usage of their shitty dialect.

there is nothing wrong with having in-group bias

Niggers have it spics have it but man white people

thats racism

Spics are mixed with whites tho, some are pureblood even

Whiteman, you ask the Jew for permission to exist.

You deserve what he gives you.

so it seems you are one of ((((Them))))

@Kyoto Flowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnOhtzXIPow

LENIN PORTRAIT IN BEST KOREA

hitler was a piece of shit for not killing all of (((them)))

Butler was just doing his job.

Hitler, butler. Whatever.

Hitler should have shipped all of them to Israel

Like in the Haavara agreement

Whole of WW2 brought to you by Bank of America and Chase.

Sponsored content.

Nazbol or suicide

Hitler should have been more leftist to empower the global jewish bourgeoisie

That's the final red pill btw.

It was all an ad. You grew up in a psyop

yep ww2 was never actual war

it was all corporate (((them))) working behind the scenes

That's why the wachowskis cut their dicks off desu senpai

"Sponsored content"

https://discord.gg/9V7YH

Is somebody gonna give @OF-8 the banhammer or nah

@WorstHistoryMemes even my grandma deserves more attention than him.

@WorstHistoryMemes why would I get the banhammer?

I don't get t.

It sure seems that a lot of folks who don't say much say only that.

As though it's a fear reaction.

Are you....Q-phobic?

Lol you guys love the "everyone" tag

Nah it was a raid.

Ah fair enough

Do you guys not have a vetting channel

@Ashley ⚧ lmao i heard you got buttblasted when democraticsocialist01 kicked you from his hangout for being an annoying twat

and you banned everyone who disagree with you from your discord

That's not what happened at all but k lol

idk man i only hear what i hear

i dont participate

I'll tell ya what happened if you want.

I haven't seen any vetting here at all.

sure its not like i do anything other than read anyways

I usually get kicked out of servers w vetting.

@Ashley ⚧ so what happened

DemSoc01 joined our twitter group chat over a month ago and started spouting weird shit, saying that the decline in elderly people in the UK is good and "darwinism at its finest" cause a lot of older people vote Tory. Xexizy, Soc or Bar, Fuckmuir, Pierre and myself among others called him out. He got butthurt and left and blocked us all on twitter. Skip forward a few weeks. DemSoc01 joins my Discord and starts spreading drama repeating the same shit he said in the twitter chat. Everyone calls him out. He leaves in a huff. He goes on to join some server which I was a member of, kicks me against the wishes of the admins of that group because he was still butthurt. Skip forward 2 weeks. A person in my Discord starts bullying a trans comrade. I ban them for it. That person gets butthurt and makes a video about it. DemSoc01 promptly capitalises on the drama to slander me and claim that I was banning everyone who disagrees with me. Skip forward 1 day. Here you are asking me what happened.

weird

Traps starting trouble. Classic cointelpro.

@Ashley ⚧ Instantly banned from the ""socialist"" server

Classic

lmao

Commies

wait

but

why tho

@OF-8#6632 For a moment there I thought you were about to make an argument. For someone who talks a lot about logos, your words lack as basis in Reason.

@Deleted User why tho

Steel is stronger than Iron.

@ValentinKaiser 🇩🇪 I'm not a commie.

@OF-8 Yeah trannies always brings shit, but btw trannies and traps are a totally different thing.

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Is it hard to teach Marx to a monkey? https://www.sciencealert.com/natural-selection-is-making-human-education-genes-rarer-say-scientists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oldj11NEsc0

@National Trotskyist I can appreciate the subtle curves there.

What would Marxist position be on exploitation of other species?

Should we teach chimps to use the means of production and evolve their species towards communism also?

Don't think Marx cared at all

Probably would have advocated for protecting your surroundings if he already didn't

Lmfao

It's not human if it can't sign a contract.

No reason to turn something that can't be in debt into a creditgoy, so I'd say no.

I've hit a wall. Human beings, as is, cannot exist in a Communist world. Human beings have to be transformed, first by the Party then by the State. Including myself, sometimes prone to mystical thinking.

@OF-8 Why can't chimp sign a contract?

You know. I don't know.

Go find out.

Go give the gift of communism to chimps.

Ethics aside. Chimps could be cheap labour.

Because that's never turned out awful for the chimps.

Well now you're thinking. Every communist system requires an economic subclass to exploit!

Well, it doesn't have to be communism. Apply it to any proselytising movement. Why don't Christians try to convert chimps too? Or plan for their future when they can recognise it?

@OF-8 If a superintelligent robot was put in charge of a state to maximise happiness and productivity, would you call that exploitation?

Politics that aims to create a better humanity, has to ask itself why not better other species which can potentially understand the politics and benefit in the future?

Why don't humans in general want to advance other species?

Yup.

This AI driven socialism meme is destined to fail.

Prove that you have personal sovereignty.

All the systems it proceeds from have failed.

To whom? Some jackass who can't feel the demiurge or sort out a political system? Fuck off!

There's my personal sovereignty.

It is a hypothetical. Let's call it Aliens or Space Jesus, not AI. The point is, would you rather live better or live with a fake sense of freedom in the gutter.

The fact that you believe in an Absolute shows that you are not free.

Here's my problem. If the Party is designed and necessary to raise the human level to be able to accept Communism, then you can apply this mentor principal to not just humanity, but any species capable of having a relationship to the means of production. Chimps resemble early humans, and socially have a kind of 'primitive communism' (Engels).

So then after the State dissolves away then future humans will work to educate other species. And so on and so on.

But where does that end?

By definition, all life on earth cannot be free from exploitation.

Life itself has this goal, but it is not specific to any one species. When one kind reaches Communism, it has to help the rest of life reach this point. But then the means of production can not rely on other species which are exploited. The future of life requires an energy source which is independent of other life. Like the sun. Which can never reach a state of 'class consciousness' or the like in the future, and only this impossibility makes it allowable as an energy source.

The future of Communism must be extraterrestrial.

Literally The Borg.

All biological material that has the potential to realise Communism in the future must be taken up into the Collective.

Enslavement to the whims of an alien force? Yup sounds like communism.

This is my logical conclusion for Marxist-Leninism.

If Communism is always the best and inevitable ends to the struggle over the means of production, then why not intervene and save them the trouble?

You'd just become enslaved to the alien collective. How is that in any way desirable?

The argument would be is that this is the goal of life and it would be our fate anyway. Accelerating towards this end would be altruistic.

I used the example of a superadvanced AI than hands you the keys to immortality, for example.

Its our fate to be taken over by aliens/AI? Doesn't seem very realistic.

It's not literal.

Only the Communist part is.

And the future of Communist society becoming space-faring.

The future of Human Society will be space-faring.

Nothing about a space-faring society is exclusive to any single ideology.

Technically, we already are space-faring.

Well, We've yet to set foot on another planet, so not by much

I mean specifically for reasons of not exploiting other species and finding an independent energy source.

Space-faring is a necessary of future Communism, not so with Capitalism.

How so?

Capitalism is about accumulating profits. Humans don't need to leave earth to do that. In fact it would be more economically if they didn't.

The spirit of exploration and expansion is as present in Capitalism as it is with Communism.

Only to pursue profits. Exploration in space will be done with robots.

Because it is more cost effective.

Societies with free markets aren't SOLEY driven by profits, and there can still be economic incentives in space that have yet to be discovered.

Rare and expensive materials in asteroids for example.

Yes they are, free markets exists solely for profit, it could not function without it, it is the first necessary economic need.

And like I said, space will be for robots not humans.

Maybe in Ancapistan but that's not what we're talking about.

What are we talking about? Where would you like to move the goal posts?

I want a Fascist state, not a society driven soley by profits.

If my profile didn't clue you in.

Good, I was a Fascist. I can ask you some good questions.

fine

What does Fascism do once it defeats all its enemies?

Establish an authoritarian state that uses its power to serve only the best interests of the people.

What is the best interests of the people in a Total Global Fascist Empire?

There probably wouldn't be a global Fascist Empire, so to speak. Rather the Fascist nations would serve their own people, but could still have reasonable interactions with other forms of states. Like Germany and Finland for example.

At least that's my thoughts

Interesting. So what should happen if one Fascist State becomes warlike and expands into other territories? Or is so advanced that no one can resist them?

Motivations for war are not exclusive to the state being Fascist and it may or may not be justified.

I know. But you have no answer.

There would be a war, what else is there to say?

Fascism is perpetual war.

Its not like communist countries haven't done that exact same thing.

There is no end game for the globe.

So? Why should there be?

To advance humanity higher and further than petty squabbles on the Earth.

That could still occur.

Its just not a huge driving factor

The first motivator of Fascism is security and defeat of its enemies. This is its fuel. Either Fascist states fight forever or one becomes so powerful it takes over the globe. But then there is no more fuel, and infighting will emerge.

If you goal is not advancement of humanity, your ideology is troglodyte.

In a stable and prosperous society like what Germany and Italy would have been had they not been defeated, I'd have to say that's hard to imagine.

So your answer to difficult scenarios is "it's hard to imagine". I thought so. Fascism is child's play.

Because it didn't really happen without the effects of the most massive war in Human history.

So where are the Fascist theories that project into the future and make predictions?

Like Marx did.

Why would they need to? Fascism is about nations striving to secure themselves and solve their problems here and now, not to predict the future.

That's why it is inferior.

Why?

There is no end game strategy, like in Chess.

Worrying about the far future and ignoring pressing issues seems inferior to me.

Who said worrying about just the far future? A rigorous theory should be able to project into all scenarios with confidence.

Marxist-Leninism does the present and the future together.

It does not need to be a one-size-fits-all ideology people can change the tennants of their government as neccesary to accomplish whay they need to.

Folly. In other words you have no idea. You answer it 'we'll work it out as we go'. Well, a more organised and planned system will defeat that.

Adaptation is always better.

Of course.

What is it about Marxist-Leninism that will make it work in all scenarios?

If you knew anything about Dialectical Materialism, you would know it is fully adaptable. It is informed about adaptions and how to do it.

Why don't you give me some of the improtant details of it that reference this specific issue? (If there is one)

I'm impressed that you are willing to read about. This is rare for those in your circles. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

Marxism takes lots of study.

Yeah even when I used to be a Marxist the reading material was always intimidating. Yikes.

Unfortuately humanity is infantile at this stage. Not everyone can be theoretician. As Lenin said, 'It takes 100 wise men to answer the question of 1 fool'.

Our aims is the create a Vanguard to implement Socialism and use that structure to educate and transform humanity into a place where it can be class conscious and enlightened in this theory.

So the end goal is to have a society of workers without hierarchy and spirituality? Doesn't sound all that great, it sounds as if it will just lead to stagnation and collapse like before.

What can I say, to a dog, human life doesn't seem that great either.

Your thoughts are not based in objective reality.

Spirituality is the most important dimension of life. Rather, it permeates all dimensions of life.

It has no mobility, no incentive, no competition, no amount of education and "enlightenment" can keep that going.

@PremYattani Thanks Deepak for that vague and useless statement.