@OF-8#6632 For a moment there I thought you were about to make an argument. For someone who talks a lot about logos, your words lack as basis in Reason.

@Deleted User why tho

Steel is stronger than Iron.

@ValentinKaiser 🇩🇪 I'm not a commie.

@OF-8 Yeah trannies always brings shit, but btw trannies and traps are a totally different thing.

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Is it hard to teach Marx to a monkey? https://www.sciencealert.com/natural-selection-is-making-human-education-genes-rarer-say-scientists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oldj11NEsc0

@National Trotskyist I can appreciate the subtle curves there.

What would Marxist position be on exploitation of other species?

Should we teach chimps to use the means of production and evolve their species towards communism also?

Don't think Marx cared at all

Probably would have advocated for protecting your surroundings if he already didn't

Lmfao

It's not human if it can't sign a contract.

No reason to turn something that can't be in debt into a creditgoy, so I'd say no.

I've hit a wall. Human beings, as is, cannot exist in a Communist world. Human beings have to be transformed, first by the Party then by the State. Including myself, sometimes prone to mystical thinking.

@OF-8 Why can't chimp sign a contract?

You know. I don't know.

Go find out.

Go give the gift of communism to chimps.

Ethics aside. Chimps could be cheap labour.

Because that's never turned out awful for the chimps.

Well now you're thinking. Every communist system requires an economic subclass to exploit!

Well, it doesn't have to be communism. Apply it to any proselytising movement. Why don't Christians try to convert chimps too? Or plan for their future when they can recognise it?

@OF-8 If a superintelligent robot was put in charge of a state to maximise happiness and productivity, would you call that exploitation?

Politics that aims to create a better humanity, has to ask itself why not better other species which can potentially understand the politics and benefit in the future?

Why don't humans in general want to advance other species?

Yup.

This AI driven socialism meme is destined to fail.

Prove that you have personal sovereignty.

All the systems it proceeds from have failed.

To whom? Some jackass who can't feel the demiurge or sort out a political system? Fuck off!

There's my personal sovereignty.

It is a hypothetical. Let's call it Aliens or Space Jesus, not AI. The point is, would you rather live better or live with a fake sense of freedom in the gutter.

The fact that you believe in an Absolute shows that you are not free.

Here's my problem. If the Party is designed and necessary to raise the human level to be able to accept Communism, then you can apply this mentor principal to not just humanity, but any species capable of having a relationship to the means of production. Chimps resemble early humans, and socially have a kind of 'primitive communism' (Engels).

So then after the State dissolves away then future humans will work to educate other species. And so on and so on.

But where does that end?

By definition, all life on earth cannot be free from exploitation.