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2017-05-29 06:08:16 UTC  

That could still occur.

2017-05-29 06:08:30 UTC  

Its just not a huge driving factor

2017-05-29 06:09:30 UTC  

The first motivator of Fascism is security and defeat of its enemies. This is its fuel. Either Fascist states fight forever or one becomes so powerful it takes over the globe. But then there is no more fuel, and infighting will emerge.

2017-05-29 06:10:28 UTC  

If you goal is not advancement of humanity, your ideology is troglodyte.

2017-05-29 06:10:44 UTC  

In a stable and prosperous society like what Germany and Italy would have been had they not been defeated, I'd have to say that's hard to imagine.

2017-05-29 06:11:20 UTC  

So your answer to difficult scenarios is "it's hard to imagine". I thought so. Fascism is child's play.

2017-05-29 06:11:54 UTC  

Because it didn't really happen without the effects of the most massive war in Human history.

2017-05-29 06:12:27 UTC  

So where are the Fascist theories that project into the future and make predictions?

2017-05-29 06:12:33 UTC  

Like Marx did.

2017-05-29 06:13:27 UTC  

Why would they need to? Fascism is about nations striving to secure themselves and solve their problems here and now, not to predict the future.

2017-05-29 06:13:47 UTC  

That's why it is inferior.

2017-05-29 06:13:52 UTC  

Why?

2017-05-29 06:14:09 UTC  

There is no end game strategy, like in Chess.

2017-05-29 06:14:34 UTC  

Worrying about the far future and ignoring pressing issues seems inferior to me.

2017-05-29 06:15:14 UTC  

Who said worrying about just the far future? A rigorous theory should be able to project into all scenarios with confidence.

2017-05-29 06:15:53 UTC  

Marxist-Leninism does the present and the future together.

2017-05-29 06:16:14 UTC  

It does not need to be a one-size-fits-all ideology people can change the tennants of their government as neccesary to accomplish whay they need to.

2017-05-29 06:17:27 UTC  

Folly. In other words you have no idea. You answer it 'we'll work it out as we go'. Well, a more organised and planned system will defeat that.

2017-05-29 06:17:42 UTC  

Adaptation is always better.

2017-05-29 06:17:56 UTC  

Of course.

2017-05-29 06:18:18 UTC  

What is it about Marxist-Leninism that will make it work in all scenarios?

2017-05-29 06:18:43 UTC  

If you knew anything about Dialectical Materialism, you would know it is fully adaptable. It is informed about adaptions and how to do it.

2017-05-29 06:19:36 UTC  

Why don't you give me some of the improtant details of it that reference this specific issue? (If there is one)

2017-05-29 06:20:34 UTC  

I'm impressed that you are willing to read about. This is rare for those in your circles. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

2017-05-29 06:21:10 UTC  

Marxism takes lots of study.

2017-05-29 06:22:40 UTC  

Yeah even when I used to be a Marxist the reading material was always intimidating. Yikes.

2017-05-29 06:23:56 UTC  

Unfortuately humanity is infantile at this stage. Not everyone can be theoretician. As Lenin said, 'It takes 100 wise men to answer the question of 1 fool'.

2017-05-29 06:25:04 UTC  

Our aims is the create a Vanguard to implement Socialism and use that structure to educate and transform humanity into a place where it can be class conscious and enlightened in this theory.

2017-05-29 06:27:06 UTC  

So the end goal is to have a society of workers without hierarchy and spirituality? Doesn't sound all that great, it sounds as if it will just lead to stagnation and collapse like before.

2017-05-29 06:27:46 UTC  

What can I say, to a dog, human life doesn't seem that great either.

2017-05-29 06:28:16 UTC  

Your thoughts are not based in objective reality.

2017-05-29 06:28:39 UTC  

Spirituality is the most important dimension of life. Rather, it permeates all dimensions of life.

2017-05-29 06:28:54 UTC  

It has no mobility, no incentive, no competition, no amount of education and "enlightenment" can keep that going.

2017-05-29 06:29:06 UTC  

@PremYattani Thanks Deepak for that vague and useless statement.

2017-05-29 06:29:44 UTC  

Religion can be very important to the cohesiveness of societies.

2017-05-29 06:29:44 UTC  

You can think of the statement how you will, but the idea of living in harmony and leading a fulfilled existence, has everything to do with spirituality.

2017-05-29 06:29:59 UTC  

So with no attention placed towards spirituality, society becomes diseased.

2017-05-29 06:30:06 UTC  

Maybe. Either Communism works, or Barbarism is the only way.

2017-05-29 06:30:21 UTC  

That's an incredibly limited set of options 😂

2017-05-29 06:30:30 UTC  

Also, not true

2017-05-29 06:30:44 UTC  

For instance the Balkans might still be subjugated by the Muslims if it weren't for the bonds created not just by blood, but by faith.