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2017-05-29 05:41:19 UTC  

By definition, all life on earth cannot be free from exploitation.

2017-05-29 05:44:21 UTC  

Life itself has this goal, but it is not specific to any one species. When one kind reaches Communism, it has to help the rest of life reach this point. But then the means of production can not rely on other species which are exploited. The future of life requires an energy source which is independent of other life. Like the sun. Which can never reach a state of 'class consciousness' or the like in the future, and only this impossibility makes it allowable as an energy source.

2017-05-29 05:45:00 UTC  

The future of Communism must be extraterrestrial.

2017-05-29 05:46:32 UTC  

Literally The Borg.

2017-05-29 05:48:08 UTC  

All biological material that has the potential to realise Communism in the future must be taken up into the Collective.

2017-05-29 05:48:47 UTC  

Enslavement to the whims of an alien force? Yup sounds like communism.

2017-05-29 05:50:11 UTC  

This is my logical conclusion for Marxist-Leninism.

2017-05-29 05:51:13 UTC  

If Communism is always the best and inevitable ends to the struggle over the means of production, then why not intervene and save them the trouble?

2017-05-29 05:51:27 UTC  

You'd just become enslaved to the alien collective. How is that in any way desirable?

2017-05-29 05:52:08 UTC  

The argument would be is that this is the goal of life and it would be our fate anyway. Accelerating towards this end would be altruistic.

2017-05-29 05:52:40 UTC  

I used the example of a superadvanced AI than hands you the keys to immortality, for example.

2017-05-29 05:53:02 UTC  

Its our fate to be taken over by aliens/AI? Doesn't seem very realistic.

2017-05-29 05:53:12 UTC  

It's not literal.

2017-05-29 05:53:24 UTC  

Only the Communist part is.

2017-05-29 05:53:41 UTC  

And the future of Communist society becoming space-faring.

2017-05-29 05:54:06 UTC  

The future of Human Society will be space-faring.

2017-05-29 05:54:41 UTC  

Nothing about a space-faring society is exclusive to any single ideology.

2017-05-29 05:54:53 UTC  

Technically, we already are space-faring.

2017-05-29 05:55:18 UTC  

Well, We've yet to set foot on another planet, so not by much

2017-05-29 05:55:18 UTC  

I mean specifically for reasons of not exploiting other species and finding an independent energy source.

2017-05-29 05:55:47 UTC  

Space-faring is a necessary of future Communism, not so with Capitalism.

2017-05-29 05:55:56 UTC  

How so?

2017-05-29 05:56:39 UTC  

Capitalism is about accumulating profits. Humans don't need to leave earth to do that. In fact it would be more economically if they didn't.

2017-05-29 05:57:27 UTC  

The spirit of exploration and expansion is as present in Capitalism as it is with Communism.

2017-05-29 05:57:53 UTC  

Only to pursue profits. Exploration in space will be done with robots.

2017-05-29 05:58:03 UTC  

Because it is more cost effective.

2017-05-29 05:58:44 UTC  

Societies with free markets aren't SOLEY driven by profits, and there can still be economic incentives in space that have yet to be discovered.

2017-05-29 05:59:19 UTC  

Rare and expensive materials in asteroids for example.

2017-05-29 05:59:39 UTC  

Yes they are, free markets exists solely for profit, it could not function without it, it is the first necessary economic need.

2017-05-29 05:59:58 UTC  

And like I said, space will be for robots not humans.

2017-05-29 06:00:05 UTC  

Maybe in Ancapistan but that's not what we're talking about.

2017-05-29 06:00:33 UTC  

What are we talking about? Where would you like to move the goal posts?

2017-05-29 06:01:04 UTC  

I want a Fascist state, not a society driven soley by profits.

2017-05-29 06:01:23 UTC  

If my profile didn't clue you in.

2017-05-29 06:01:35 UTC  

Good, I was a Fascist. I can ask you some good questions.

2017-05-29 06:01:40 UTC  

fine

2017-05-29 06:01:54 UTC  

What does Fascism do once it defeats all its enemies?

2017-05-29 06:02:46 UTC  

Establish an authoritarian state that uses its power to serve only the best interests of the people.

2017-05-29 06:03:31 UTC  

What is the best interests of the people in a Total Global Fascist Empire?

2017-05-29 06:04:54 UTC  

There probably wouldn't be a global Fascist Empire, so to speak. Rather the Fascist nations would serve their own people, but could still have reasonable interactions with other forms of states. Like Germany and Finland for example.

2017-05-29 06:05:03 UTC  

At least that's my thoughts