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Not many people are wrongly executed these days though.

youre making me sad

I hope so

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Eh you think it's pointless I believe you get rid of more criminals who are beyond help

Those who are executed are wrongly executed

maybe when you are done being sad you get get angry like you should be

Two wrongs dont make a right. Especially if the person is mentally damaged.

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Eh execution used to be done much more often

in here

A lot of people who have been executed for these things are suicidal

And desperate.

Execution shouldnt be allowed at all

It prevents progress

So put them in prison and provide for them for the rest of their lives even if there is no cure?

There will most likely be one eventually

@Mr. X If a person is mentally damaged beyond repair then they should be hospitalized. But a hardcore violent criminal that happens to be suicidal should not receive a lesser punishment.

killing them will avoid the progress

These crazy people come out of prison and do it again

@Deleted User Its hard to kill dozens of people

Prison is a criminal training camp

Those who do that are mentally ill

Most anyway

Most are too damaged

Plenty of people that aren't on death row are suicidal. Just because someone is suicidal doesn't mean they shouldn't be killed for being a mass murderer, etc.

Terrorists and murderers who walk free again will do it again

Prison won't help them

No I never said they shouldnt be killed if they're suicidal

I said they shouldnt be killed

Its pointless

There is no need to stoop on their level and we dont have to so why do so?

Serial killers and people of that nature should definitely be executed, suicidal or not. Only the seriously deranged should be hospitalized.

Its simply for pure vengeance like what most shooters want.

Eh we need more execution maybe not electric chair torture style but quick fast and with a needle

@Deleted User and the non deranged should be put in prison for all their lives

Killing them is pointless

There is no reason to do so.

People on death row are usually deranged. Only people that are completely out of touch with reality should be hospitalized.

Except add another body count for the sake of being hurt which the person most likely did his horrible action. Simply because he was hurt.

Why just the out of touch ones be hospitalized?

Why not them all?

Plenty of serial killers are the way they are because they have no empathy for other human beings. They have no feelings. Such people deserve death.

They know what they did.

No human has no feelings.

That isn't true. Our modern understanding of neuroscience and psychology says otherwise.

Most people without empathy have been born or raised in a horrible environment.

Some people genuinely have no feelings.

Also the prisons are just a big business

Who?

That's false.

And an overgeneralization

More people in prison means more money for certain politicians

And?

No, it isn't. To suggest otherwise is unscientific. Not every human being has feelings. This is a fact.

Like who for example doesnt have any feelings?

Sociopaths.

Sociopaths have feelings

@Mr.E#2794 I don't

They lack empathy and can lack emotion at times but they're not without feelings

@Firefly Doubt

Prove me wrong

You saying "prove me wrong" for one

Alexthymics, psychopaths, etc.

They aren't without emotion.

They're antisocial but not without emotion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia

They may lack emotion but not be completely devoid of it

They literally are devoid of it. Their brains don't allow them to recognize it.

Emotion is a spook.

The brain is a very powerful thing.

And their wiring is fucked up.

Oh then if Alexithymia truly is without emotion. Psychopaths and sociopaths are not.

And I haven't heard of someone in death row with Alexithymia

So far atleast

Never heard of a criminal with that either

It's clearly new to me either way

Besides its a dysfunction in emotional awareness but it doesn't mean they're completely devoid of emotion.

Emotions are a spook

Criminals must be treated with reprogramming and social rehabilitation.

Agreed.

Execution is pointless bloodshed.

Yeah, it's very rare. And psychopaths tend to have shallow emotivity as opposed to a complete lack of it.

If its to merely punish then that's also pointless since it's preventing the person from feeling punished too.

@Deleted User Which is why they need to be cured.

Or treated atleast.

Psychopaths have been treated successfully before.

Anyone that goes on a killing spree deserves to be executed.

@Firefly despite reprogramming techniques they still kill others

If reprogramming and social rehabilitation did not work labor camp will.

They deserve it but they shouldnt be executed

that is pointless

Killing sprees are destined to happen eventually. Killing them wont prevent that at all.

It is pointless to waste valuable time and precious resources trying to "rehabilitate" them. That could be used on criminals that haven't slaughtered innocent people.

I believe the slaughtered people shouldn't be slaughtered.

@Deleted User only resources from labor camps made by other criminals are used.

Therefore keeping the killers alive and studying them is best for the innocent lives.

@Firefly What? Lol

There is no need to kill them.

@Deleted User do not use public money. Make criminals work in labor camp and sponsor reprogramming for others.

It's merely logical vengeance and anger driven. There is no good reason to kill a mass murderer.

I don't believe that. We've already studied hundreds of serial killers. They just need to be injected and done with.

Not enough studies it seems.

The human brain can be altered

we need to advance more in order to cure and/or treat them better.

Some have been treated already

Some people are literally beyond repair. You could throw them in a hospital and drug them into submission but that would be a waste of time and resources that could be directed elsewhere.

They're only beyond repair if you think they are

you'd be surprised to how much humans advance

Do not underestimate human intelligence

Especially not when it comes to medical intelligence

Or scientific intelligence either

You are underestimating the reality of severe mental illness. Some people are fundamentally broken and no amount of medication and behavioral therapy will do away with the faulty wiring.

I'm well aware of how broken someone is

killing that person is pointless

As they can perhaps be fixed

We need to study them more

mr E

And advance more

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Some can, sure. But some just can't, and those people that aren't treatable should be executed.

How do you know who isn't treatable?

How do you know for sure all can't be treated in the future eventually?

What evidence is there to suggest that? Simply because they're immoral?

@Deleted User why waist human resources when they can be used in a camp

I don't personally know that. But the psychiatric professionals analyzing them do, and their judgment should be taken into account. Unfortunately not everyone is treatable and most people understand this, especially medical professionals.

Not currently treatable.

But if we keep advancing then it's a good possibility we can help them better.

Even they know that.

@Firefly That's not a bad idea tbh. Forced hard labor should always be an option.

Again, this shouldn't be about vengeance.

This should be about punishment and rehabilitation only.

Morals are of course very needed and necessary in law and politics. But we need to make sure we go by the correct sort of morals.

And vengeance is not correct.

agreed

This is why society is complicated though. How do you know what morals are correct.

As vengeance is what drives many of these killers in the first place.

I don't. That's why I rely on other people's morals to strengthen my morals.

Either way I highly doubt I'll truly know what is right and wrong same with anyone in the world simply because morals aren't just black and white all the time.

You clearly ascribe to a different theory of justice than I do. I don't believe this has anything to do with vengeance and I ascribe to the retributive theory.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice

Vengeance hidden under the name of justice. How unfortunate.

Completely bastardizing the sacred word.

Either way it doesn't seem necessary.

Even dressing it up.

It's far too pessimistic for humanity.

This theory dates to ancient times and has been advocated for by numerous cultures and peoples. Idk what you mean by "sacred word".

Justice.

Of course it dates to ancient times.

What seems just to you is criminal to another.

You have a very idealistic view of humanity. I take a more realistic approach.

Then have me executed.

So we all can agree on rehabilitation program and a bonus labor camp option?

Have you slaughtered innocent people and is the wiring in your brain irreparable?

It's realistic to acknowledge that humanity advances.

Who knows?

I might as well would.

Either way I find it idiotic and pointless to add more to bloodshed.

Idealistic or not.

Humanity does advance. I would say that your approach is actually wasteful and unnecessary and therefore detrimental to human progress.

It isn't unnecessary to study criminal brains.

Because if we don't then we won't know how to better ourselves.

Punitive>Rehabilitative justice in the cases of premeditated murder, Sexual Abuse of a child, and a mass murderer. Otherwise I can be sold to rehabilitative for more minor offences obviously.

Study them. Have a psychiatric professional analyze them. And if the results are less than satisfactory, don't waste time and resources on housing and feeding them while hoping that someday they'll wake up with a brain capable of being treated.

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Inject them and get it over with.

I can study them and get nothing. Someone will find something important the more they study them.

No need to inject them

pointless

Best thing to do is study their brains

In intervals from his home in solitary confinement id hope?

How do you know for sure they won't be able to be treated?

@Deleted User what cases are you talking about?

Especially considering how much we're advancing medically.

It doesn't take very long for medical professionals to reach a conclusion in this regard. We already have tons of literature as is regarding the minds of serial killers. Analyze their brains, study their behavior, and collect the data.

Not enough clearly

otherwise studies would be prevented by now

@Otter No specific cases. Just serial killers in general and lethal injection.

Again

pointless to kill them

they can probably be treated

@Mr.E#2794 they can work in a camp. Motherland needs them.

It will take years obviously but the more and longer you spend on studying them the quicker it will be to cure them which means less innocents dead

This isn't going anywhere. You say it's pointless to quickly and painlessly end their lives and assuredly prevent them from murdering more innocent people in the future and I say it isn't.

Murdering them wont fix the issue

You believe everyone is treatable and I say that isn't true.

You can easily put them in jail for the rest of their lives

What proof of that do you have?

We haven't fully advanced in that field.

Jail is a waste of time and money

What proof? How about our current understanding of neuroscience and psychology? To suggest otherwise is just foolish and naive and completely at odds with the mainstream scientific consensus. Even common sense would dictate that some people are genuinely fucked up beyond all repair.

It's best to study them and understand them and know how to treat them in order to prevent future killers.

@Deleted User Says who exactly?

The current understanding of neuroscience and psychology doesn't prove everyone isn't treatable.

Actually, it does. Lmao. You obviously know very little about the human brain.

With out current knowledge and technology yes they're untreatable.

But after advancing maybe not.

No I know quite a lot.

How do you expect this so-called advancement to come about?

I enjoy psychology and understand people are fucked up.

By studying.

And imagining.

We're not going to somehow stop here in medical advancement.

So a psychiatric professional studies them in-depth and concludes that they cannot be fixed with medications and behavioral therapy, then what? House them and feed them and hope for the best while wasting tons of money and resources in the process? That sounds like the opposite of advancement.

Perhaps it will take a lot of brain surgery and removal of parts of the brain and replacements.

Perhaps some better alternatives.

Which psychiatric professional understands the future of technology and can fully imagine medical advancement?

That sounds like an astronomical waste of time and money. Not to mention unrealistic and cruel and not bound to be achievable any time soon.

Still achievable

I don't care how much it costs

Or how much you think it wastes

Are you going to front the bill?

People shouldn't be killing people

No of course not.

I'm just stating my opinion.

At least you understand it's possible.

Some people do not deserve to live. And some people do not deserve to live in pain.

Says who?

Says anyone that is rational and caring.

Many who are rational and caring would disagree with you.

Because with life there is both pain and pleasure.

You are not in a place to determine who gets to live or die.

Nor am I obviously.

And I believe nobody is.

What you don't seem to realize is that your grand ideas are not only unrealistic, they're harmful. But regardless, this conversation won't be going in a worthwhile direction anytime soon. You're free to believe as you wish.

How is it unrealistic?

Or harmful?

When it can treat people and prevent people from creating mass genocide?

How do you know in 20 years psychopathy won't be completely eradicated simply because lots of people studied psychopaths?

that's unlikely

but I believe it to be possible

I've already stated how they're unrealistic given our current understanding of neuroscience and psychology, and I've also made it pretty clear how they could be unnecessarily cruel and anti-progressive. What it comes down to though is this: not everyone is treatable. And simply studying someone's behavior won't lead to the eradication of psychopathy, that is such a blatantly absurd belief to hold.

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Yes it's unrealistic with our CURRENT understanding. Not our advanced and future understanding.

It could be but it will most likely be a lot more progressive as these studies has helped people who are less fucked up.

How do you know it won't work?

You think far too highly of people in general and too little of scientific theory.

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