The people, surely?

@fannybandit I never said they did. Just remembering Tony Benn's 5 questions...

I'm glad I don't live under them, @fannybandit.

In another country.

That it only serves the interests of the rich, and the existent ruling class. As it does in every other country.

I think I was being obtuse in what I was saying, @fannybandit. You asked who had the power to go after the FBI, and I was reminded of the Citizens Committees that took over the Stasi buildings during the disintergration of the GDR; hence why I said that the people should hold the FBI to account, as they did in the dying embers of the GDR.

@fannybandit At least with the second amendment it might be a fairer fight than in other countries.

@fannybandit All you're missing is the weight of force to carry out that action.

@fannybandit so what organisation is there in the military? A modern equivalent of Winter Soldier?

@fannybandit but surely without political organisation it will remain loyal to their bosses?

@fannybandit not directly, but Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea... all represent major US deployments overseas. Doesn't look like peace at the other end of an M14

An interesting proposition, @fannybandit. Are you suggesting a military coup?

The military aren't the people.

To whom do the military swear allegience?

And who are these militias?

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

I don't think fanny was being literal. There is the art of speaking a lot, but saying nothing at all. @Deleted User

The YPG? Aren't they influenced by the PKK? Who aren't very Leninist at all these days.

The PKK renounced Leninism some time ago, embracing "Democratic Confederalism" which owes more to anarchism than Leninism.

@Firefly They were for a long time, but when their leader Ocalan read some Murray Bookchin, he changed the entire ideology of the organisation, dumping Marxism of any flavour and embracing small scale communes powered by solar power.

@Deleted User Not really. Mainly that Vice watching hipsters haven't been coming in huge numbers now that Rojava has been eclipsed in the radical news feed.

@Deleted User the liquidation of the radical Kurdish forces is more of a priority for the Turkish state than getting rid of ISIS and other Islamist forces.

@Deleted User I didn't realise that. I'm surprised to hear that, actually - the YPG were, "Bolsh as f***", as the kids say.

@Deleted User Well, quite. That's what I was thinking. Unless those ex-ISIS are, effectively, either a) adventurists or b) mercinaries?

Safety, possibly.

Never underestimate the security of basic life under authoritarian regiemes.

Keep your gob shut, tip your hat to the secret police, bow to El Presidente, and life can just carry on.

SAA= Syrian Arab Army, right?

Syria isn't an authoritarian country? You might need to explain that one...

Ah, OK - I was answering "why the population in those area's are migrating to SAA controlled areas"

I don't disagree! I wouldn't be surprised.

this ain't /centrypol/ @F0X~{A Walker}

Fair enough, @F0X~{A Walker} and I admire your chutzpah.

What do you mean by "Centrist"?

I don't ask to be a dick, I ask because it means different things to different people, and I don't want to assume

Not really, the PC is just a random dot on a chart, it doesn't show me what kind of principles or ideas people hold dearly.

@F0X~{A Walker} Don't disagree. But what, would you say, are the key principles and ideas that you hold dear? That define how you see, interpret and interact with the world?

Who is raping "your" women?

And who might that be?

The foreign invaders

Who are they?

Ahhh, that's better.

What's the difference between justice and vengence? Because for me, that's what capital punishment is; vengence.

Sociopaths.

I've been involved with a strike that included over 100k strikers. Not one was sacked for striking.

it is in the UK, where I am.

Direct action gets the goods. What change has come from a petition alone?

I'd argue strike action is direct action...

Well, same in most English speaking countries. The lack of an explicit labor/social democratic party is also a hinderence.

The USA doesn't.

True, @Suleiman but in the USA, it's a bit of a hinderence not having one - the Dems aren't a substitute

Indeed. It's like trying to get the Lib Dems in the UK to be a workers' party. Ain't gonna happen.

@buyXRBpls The unions aren't affiliated to the Republicans, so while they might claim to speak for workers, it's nowhere near a workers' party like Labour in the UK or the SPD in Germany.

So @fannybandit's solution to save us from nefarious state agencies is to be saved by... er... a nerfarious state agency

So, are you gonna join up?

Ah, it's a case of "you crack on lads, I'll be with you in a minute"

But if nobody is agitating within the army, then how will they know to rise up? You sound like the French radical, who when they see the people march, says "Oh, look, there go my people! I must find out where they're going so I can lead them!"

Even the oath keepers have recruiters!

Either get busy doing, or get busy being quiet. You can't have it both ways. Either get stuck in agitating for it in the armed forces (which probably won't go well, given what tends to happen to such agitators) or stop calling on them to do something you won't do yourself.

So stop calling on people to do something you're not prepared to do yourself.

So where does this plan of yours actually start?

@prior close - I am a depressed loaf of bread.

I can't. I'm a loaf of bread. I will always be a loaf of bread.

@prior Sounds painful. Delicious, but painful.

@fannybandit Is that your answer to everything? *(I'm not by the way)

I meant calling people who disagree with you agents.

FWIW @fannybandit I think your idea is pie in the sky, wishful thinking which makes you feel good because you don't have to do jack.

Just not you, though.

And your idea needs people in the armed forces to listen. Shame nobody's willing to do that.

Thanks for making my point for me.

Putting words into my mouth, much?

Yes, shame you're not showing any.

No, I've said loads, but you're not willing to hear. I've said all along - your plan is just fantasy unless you're willing to enlist and put it into action.

So, are you like, you know, talking to any actual soldiers?

Because the wingnuts are, and they're kinda winning.

I very much doubt it.

MI? Nah. CIA more likely.

Plus, MI are on the more loyalist end of the spectrum. You want the rank and file.

I wouldn't say it was impossible, but I think it's more likely that I win the lottery.

Well if I'm wrong @fannybandit I'll buy you a beverage of your choice.

Also, CIA, if you're listening, I'll tell you who *really* took the Lindbergh baby for *one meeeeleon dollaaaars*

Shush! I need the money, OK

ISIS defeated?!

I wonder why

You mean the Weekly Worker? Or the Morning Star>

Woah, Sonic's a Christian? Gotsta go faaaahst... to church

So membership fees are bourgeois?

So don't pay 'em. Don't join the CPGB-ML. I believe their party is paid for by Harpal Brar's pashmina business.

Hardly. Quite a few b/pb types who bone off the DPRK.

Is this in the Russian presidential? Didn't the CPRF candidate come second? I watched some of the aftermath coverage on RT for lulz and I swore it said they came second...