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I want to do this at WSU
Go around and engage students in discussion on immigration
The jpg is too powerful I'm having trouble reading
wait let me find the page
But yeah immigration is a big issue for me
We should do a meetup in Spokane soon
I just got my US Border Patrol hat in the mail
For sure I'm sure I'll be up there at some point
Actually I'm planning on going to the WPC dinner up there
When is that?
I think Oct 24 but I'll be at the event the whole time
Try downloading the picture and then reading it
I think it doesn't let you zoom in
unless you download
Oh so it's like not an organized event but just walking up to people?
I think that's what they did
But there's plenty that we can do
We just have to get it approved with the activism coordinator
For sure I'd love to get out there
The big Spokane event we did before the Summer was pretty fun. It would be cool if we could get something bigger organized. That takes some notice, though, for now we should just focus on getting meetups going again. Once you get into the state server we'll talk about it with the other members.
Sounds good, I know my friend who was at the Spokane event said it was a great time
getting into your state server and meeting the other IE members is the best part
Do I get in after the second interview?
yeah, i think the 2nd interview is with your state cordinator
I'm your regional coordinator btw
my state cordinator happens to be the IE cordinator
Oh nice to meet you then!
Niko is the Washington coordinator, but he assigned me as his assistant coordinator for Eastern Washington
nice to meet you too
jacob is good folk
Is he in eastern too?
He's in Seattle
We have a good amount of members in Western Washington
I hate Seattle
The guys from the other side are willing to drive out here occasionally
I hate Seattle, too
I like somewhat rural areas
Same, except central Washington
I haven't spent too much time there
What's wrong with it?
Isn't Othello like 85% Mexican?
There's a LOT of Mexicans in central
oh ya they have a lot of places like that
they might even have a county that's Hispanic majority
Yeah it's messed up
i didnt realize immigration would even be an issue for wwashington state
Well in eastern it's not really
Most places here are 80+% white still
I think Pullman is somewhere around 90%
GA is exptected to be minority white in the coming years soon
its 28% white in my local town
Spokane County is 89% white
Lincoln County is 95% white
Honestly, though, should be 100%
It's the agriculture
oh, my county is 48% white
Lots of Mexicans from that
pretty sure im in the blackest town in my county tho
dont hit F yet pls
im trying to avoid that tbh
The funny thing is the town I grew up in had a few blacks but they were kinda the higher class ones, never had a problem, then I came to WSU
I had a 400 level project class and there was a black guy in my group, literally could not write at a college level I was shocked
I moved to florida for 10/11th grade, then came back to GA for 12th grade. but GA does their graduation tests in 11th grade
so im in 12th taking the graduation tests, and i kept getting asked "hey homie, how many time u took this test?"
I was the only white dude in the make up test room
Sad times, I hope we can turn the tide before it's too late
It's hard to imagine we were able to keep demographics until the 60s and now look at us
straight white males built this country, and took our species too the moon
and if you feel guilty about that...... idk what to tell you
Not at all
I'm proud of our history
Hey Steve, welcome to Identity Evropa
My county is 92% but you wouldn't think that looking at any school
but that was 2010 numbers, they're bound to be way different come 2020
school demographics are the worst
Hopefully you guys listen to Jared Howes podcast, he will breakdown what mass immigration will do to a small town of 10,000 people
It's funny, Boomer Republicans complain all day about housing prices in Seattle but refuse to talk immigration
So they won't get labeled as racists
Same with the whole "no identity politics" thing but also having their token blacks etc.
boomers cling onto capitalism, then complain when they have to press 2 for english
like, you imported cheap 3rd world labor, wtf did you expect
Because the media paints it as morally wrong to not want foreigners invading your country
no, corportations have an interest in keeping their profits, so importing cheap 3rd world labor is in their interests
including corporate media
I'm too far into the Eric Striker pill for capitalism and individualism tbh
Christ I'm watching the new Jared Taylor video
Eric Striker is a retard.
Change my mind.
lol I might be too intoxicated to challenge you. but whats your main problem?
The drgredation of monuments in this country is disgusting
I just oppose the idea of profits>society
@Madd Dogg His radical, violent and frankly impractical view on nearly everything political. Also have met him in person, not super impressive...
Oh well, I do know about him having a history in TWP, never met him and I only know of him from his appearances on HeelTurn and Strike and Mike streams
That said, he knows his history - particularly when it comes to the Bolsheviks/Red Scare in the states/ anything pertaining to historical Jewish power and influence (far, far better than myself)
My main issue with the dude is that he's an ideologue and ideologues always lose.
Yeah thats about my knowledge of him, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has fed-posted from time to time
If by time-to-time you mean constantly...sure.
Yeah he's bad optics(just another word for stratgey, really)
I always divide the optics thing between 'in house entertainment' vs 'promoting our ideas'
Eric isn't for the normie audience
but ultimately his commitment to an esoteric, never-been-successful, third position ideology - and nothing but (not necessarily referring to NS here) is where he fails and will always fail.
Impractical, radical, idealistic, foolish.
We have to be pragmatists of the highest order - remain flexible, and current with the trends of culture and politik - how we got ourselves into this mess is the same way we will get ourselves out.
Incrementally. Step by baby step.
Frankly at this point, I'm okay with all but the most retarded positions, as long as it's pro-white.
Has striker ever talked about how exactly we should go about getting to his ideal world or is it mostly talking about his ideal society?
Libertarian, Classic American / Roman Republic, Pine Tree Gang, NazBol, AnCap, White Juche, Christian Monarchy...
Just close the damn borders.
@fgtveassassin Can't say as I don't really think or care much about the guy.
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Right and wrong. There are many pro-white positions and individuals that we want to stay far the heck away from - radicals, extremists (literally) insane people and especially ideologues.
@Deleted User I prioritize people over the ideology, but I get what you're saying.
okay fair enough, there are some pro-white ideologies that suck, but I'll take a bad pro-white one over an otherwise good anti-white one
And of course there's a difference between "What's good for I.E." and "what's okay out in the wild on its own"
It'll be a cold day in Hell before Americans accept a theocratic monarchy or nazbol, pro-white or not
I argue Striker is not for I.E., but I'm glad he's out there. Getting Tankies to value the 14 words is still a net upgrade.
Your flexibility is good, but we need to think pragmatically - what appeals to the avg American? Pine Tree Gang? White Juche? National Bolshevism?
"America is a Nation of Laws"
"BUILD THE WALL, BUILD THE WALL, BUILD THE WALL"
"OUT OUT OUT!"
this is what appeals to the American man.\
@NateDahl76 "I don't care about the browning of America..." ~Ben Shapiro
@TMatthews Not to LARP, but obviously that would be in a post-America, several generations later scenario.
Yeah but he teaches young white men to stand up for their values @Asatru Artist - MD
lol no he doesn't
he teaches them to stand up for Israel
Okay, look, I'll take Ben Shapiro over LITERAL Siege
He’s also opposed to degeneracy
@Deleted User Agreed. MAGA works for now, provided it fulfills its potential / promises.
I said "bad", not "horrible" for a reason
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Post America is likely to come, but the influences of old America will remain. It's better for us to reclaim the founding fathers than go against them
Videos of him btfoing trannies and BLM people really pushed me in the right direction tbh
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN exactly, we embrace what works and eschew what fails. basic shit.
not too hard to btfo the mentally ill 😉
@TMatthews I agree. I'm not trying to larp. I only cited all of the ends of the "dissident right" (lol we are truly diverse) to demonstrate that I DON'T CARE about ideology
I totally agree with the whole appealing to civnats thing, but, hypothetically, if I had to chose a way to run a country, civic nationalism is useless
@Jacob Civic Nationalism is a much better social regime than what we are currently exposed to.
Well that's not true. I have opinions. I guess what I mean is I'm not interested in ideological purity. Which means, yes, I can work with MAGA
Is it? It just delays us becoming a minority by like 5 years. The end result is the same.
I rejected basic tenets of leftist ideology in part because of Ben Shapiro. I rejected the systematic white supremacy stuff and gender queer bs
Civic nationalism is not a viable solution, but there are civnats that literally want to deport 30 million people. Strategically finding common ground with them is good politics
Well, it's also worth pointing out that civnats are on a spectrum
You can plug a hole with cement or chewing gum. Just get the hole plugged.
If you don't have cement, get to chewing.
"End immigration" civic nationalism is useful, "I love legal immigration" civic nationalism is literally the same end result as liberalism
us = cement, civnats = chewing gum, GOP = fishnet
A lot of civnats know deep down that we are right. We just have to break the stranglehold that the moral paradigm of "racism" holds over them
Mass importation of Asians actually makes the average white an underclass quicker than mass mestizo. Of course the problem is now we have both happening.
@Jacob, Civnats literally want to physically round up 11 million human beings and build a several thousand mile long wall at our Mexican border. - If you don't see a CivNat regime as a massive improvement to our current political order you are blind
IQ nationalism isn't real nationalism
@Asatru Artist - MD Problem is, a lot of the time civnats don't want to fix the hole
again. it's not the ideal - its a step in the right direction.
"Big Brain nibbas only" -Civnats
I won't counter signal MAGA. Murdoch is right, MAGA is the sleeping giant.
Dumb but powerful.
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN sure. it's up to us to awaken and harness it!
I am looking forward to buying a MAGA hat. Should I get classic red or camo?
Which is better O P T I C S ?
We didn't get in this mess overnight and we won't get out of it overnight. Just as the left didn't go straight from JFK to what it is today, we are going to have to make incremental progress. Getting civnats like Trump in power is a step in the right direction for the first time in many years
red will trigger more people...
Of course I am from one of two fully red states. And the only hat-shaped one.
The truth is that we do want to MAGA. We just realize exactly what that means
Where you at?
To be honest, no, I don't see it as a massive improvement, because illegals are a very small factor in the equation for when we become a minority. Do I see it as a small improvement? In some cases.
I'd go as far to say that civic nationalism can be a destructive force at times, because it creates a false sense of security. "lol we stopped illegal immigration we can get complacent now while legal immigrants replace us"
I'm not arguing that we should be edgelords and alienate civnats, I'm arguing that we should try to move them to our side rather than just become them.
Amish gang rise up
I love the Amish
I'm a bit biased on this since I've had a lot of bad experiences with civnats, including Proud Boys literally collaborating with Antifa to dox me
Ya, I'm not making that up, and I'm willing to elaborate if needed
I believe you.
@Jacob Nobody here is arguing that we should become civnats. If, however, gaining real power and influence within institutions like the GOP requires it, we should pretend to be on an individual level though perhaps
You know what I mean.
MAGA in the streets, something else in the sheets
I would rather not become what I despise...
I'm OK with a strategic alliance with civnats for now, but of course don't just capitulate to them, actively try to bring them to our side
@TMatthews A lot of people in this movement do argue that we should promote civic nationalism instead of identitarianism, and just kinda sit around and wait for civic nationalism to win out, and *then* promote identitarianism. We've had former IE members like this.
I don't know, could still be some
I.E. has the hard-earned privilege and responsibility of being the least-weird far-right group
Look, I just think the whole "civnats are 80% there" talk is really dangerous
@Jacob STOP BEING AN IDEOLOGUE, bro. **IDEOLOGUES ALWAYS LOSE** <- if you take anything to heart that I say tonight, take that with you.
Ideologues. Always. Lose.
The greatest political thinkers and strategists of all time worked within their political paradigm to achieve actual goals.
MAGA/Civnat is implicitly Identitarian - very obviously so - why else would the globalist elites be so afraid of it.
@Jacob I don't agree with that model. That's part of why I opposed renaming IE something more American in a debate here before. What I mean is more that, for example, I'm an officer in my college republicans and couldn't have gotten there if I revealed my power level
We shouldn't get complacent and think that civic nationalism will accomplish absolutely anything. The truth is, they're maybe 20% there at best, and they're destructive at worst. We should appeal to them, pretend to be them at times, but never assume they will accomplish anything alone.
It's up to us to corral and harness that energy into something EXPLICITLY identitarian 10-15 years down the line
@Deleted User You make a valuable point. The radical / 'extreme' leaders of the past harnessed the spirit of their people *at their time*, and then slowly channeled it in directions.
We should still talk to civnats at places like CPAC and push our ideals. We can help them in mainstream politics AND grow identitarianism simultaneously
@Jacob Civic nationalism, instated TOMORROW. Would result in 11+ MILLION less central americans in our country with the snap of a finger.
and then we press for more.
Right, which is why I'd still vote for Trump given the choice
I guess the big issue is the dynamic of negotiation itself. We're told to ask for more than we'll get. We ask for civ nat, get even less. If we ask for identitarianism, could we get civNat?
Friendly reminder that Trump attacked Cruz very successfully in the primaries for expanding H1b. The average Republican wants less legal immigration
The problem is, if we wait until later to press for more, these ideas will just be forgotten by that point. That's why we need to promote more *now*.
It is such a delicate balance. How to open the Window without breaking it open or shutting it
Promoting now lays a groundwork for hopefully going mainstream in the metaphorical tomorrow
When communists were marching through institutions, they still had groups pressing for communism while they were creating front groups
We should have front groups, but we should still be pressing for actual identitarianism
@Jacob That's another reason a decentralized "broader movement" is good. I.E. is "good cop,"
those completely unwilling to compromise (short term) are those who are completely unwilling to win.
I'm obviously willing to compromise since I'm willing to vote for Republicans and all that. I just don't support the idea of pushing for civic nationalism in place of pushing for identitarianism.
I haven't seen any uncompromising positions here. Just understandable anxiety.
I would say that being uncompromisingly compromising is a little like being an idealogue, too.
I would never say something like "don't vote for this guy he's not radical enough" or whatever
The existence of our people is non-negotiable. Perhaps that makes me an ideologue. I am willing to work with people who don't quite get it though. This is too important to throw away potential allies
if you think 50% + of all Americans are going to be awoken to, or inspired by some completely obscure ideology coined by some french dude in the 1970's you're insane.
There's no reason to fight over this. You don't NEED to take a hard position until you can DO something with it.
We don't need to convert 50% of Americans, though.
@Deleted User You don't have to call it "identitarianism", you just argue specific positions
If we target political and financial elites, and sway enough of them, we win.
I think a lot of this is out of our hands because the left can't control itself. Even if Soros were by some strange chance to overcome his tribal instincts and realize that the left has pushed too far, his rabid pets wouldn't stand down. The modern left is composed of the ultimate ideologues and they will only double down, thus radicalizing normies. We simply have to be ready to present an attractable alternative to them.
We need power to exploit opportunity. Growing the organization is obviously what we all should focus on
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Mate, nobody is fighting. Rigorous debate is the path to growth so long as it doesn't get personal.
I want MORE of this manner of conversation.
I've had much more success being explicit than pretending to be a civnat. People appreciate the honesty. Liberals can see through the whole civnat shtick anyway.
If our job is to 1. grow, 2. develop our members, 3. support eachother and network, and 4. awaken as many people to white-well-being as possible. I think I.E. does that well as is. We just need more people and money, and well do those things more and better.
Yeah, compromise should be a strategy, not a philosophy.
Just hit the nail that I was beating around all night
Ha ha! Glad to be of service.
I like the rigorous debate. I haven't seen too much of that in here.
Rules to IE debate:
1. Argue in good faith
2. Don't get personal
3. Don't get butthurt