I haven't seen any uncompromising positions here. Just understandable anxiety.

I would say that being uncompromisingly compromising is a little like being an idealogue, too.

I would never say something like "don't vote for this guy he's not radical enough" or whatever

The existence of our people is non-negotiable. Perhaps that makes me an ideologue. I am willing to work with people who don't quite get it though. This is too important to throw away potential allies

Jus' sayin'.

if you think 50% + of all Americans are going to be awoken to, or inspired by some completely obscure ideology coined by some french dude in the 1970's you're insane.

There's no reason to fight over this. You don't NEED to take a hard position until you can DO something with it.

We don't need to convert 50% of Americans, though.

@Deleted User You don't have to call it "identitarianism", you just argue specific positions

If we target political and financial elites, and sway enough of them, we win.

I think a lot of this is out of our hands because the left can't control itself. Even if Soros were by some strange chance to overcome his tribal instincts and realize that the left has pushed too far, his rabid pets wouldn't stand down. The modern left is composed of the ultimate ideologues and they will only double down, thus radicalizing normies. We simply have to be ready to present an attractable alternative to them.

We need power to exploit opportunity. Growing the organization is obviously what we all should focus on

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Mate, nobody is fighting. Rigorous debate is the path to growth so long as it doesn't get personal.

I want MORE of this manner of conversation.

I've had much more success being explicit than pretending to be a civnat. People appreciate the honesty. Liberals can see through the whole civnat shtick anyway.

If our job is to 1. grow, 2. develop our members, 3. support eachother and network, and 4. awaken as many people to white-well-being as possible. I think I.E. does that well as is. We just need more people and money, and well do those things more and better.

Yeah, compromise should be a strategy, not a philosophy.

yep

Just hit the nail that I was beating around all night

Ha ha! Glad to be of service.

I like the rigorous debate. I haven't seen too much of that in here.

Rules to IE debate:
1. Argue in good faith
2. Don't get personal
3. Don't get butthurt

@Deleted User I just worry about fracturing and implosion. Every day. That's a personal fear of mine, not reflective of I.E.'s dynamic.

We need people at all levels of explicitness. What I take issue with, is I see people sometimes arguing that promoting civic nationalism is somehow *more* effective than promoting identitarianism. No, it really isn't, because it's ultimately useless, and no one is promoting the next step, people will never reach the next step. If we play this silly game of "oh, we'll just promote identitarianism *after* we've turned the whole country civnat", then by the time you're ready to promote identitarianism, their won't be any identitarians left to promote it.

This is why civic nationalism can be destructive if taken too far. It just makes people complacement. It tells them they have a solution and they can just end right there.

@Jacob Pretty much all the friends I still associate with know I'm in IE, never had an issue.

So i agree, pretending to be civnat is lame.

Is this path more difficult? Ya, I guess. But this is the only path to victory. Becoming civnats isn't victory, it's moving the goalpost.

busy day tomorrow, boys. Good chat. Don't be retards in my absence.

@Jacob moving that post toward victory.

Good chat, disagree on strategy, but good chat none the less.

Good night

Love ya, brotha.

haha you too

IE and identitarianism as a whole is growing. I'm not too concerned about people like us suddenly deciding that demographic transformation is okay because of "muh based Kanye"

CivNats just slow the bleed, we need the bleed stopped or our descendants become the Indians on reservations. 😕

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TiAEHjM5ZM

muh based Kanye is so easily debunked with 92% of blacks voting for Dems...

and 70%+ of Hispanics

@Asatru Artist - MD Going off of your metaphor, slowing the blood loss is still a good first step until you can get to sewing the wound back shut

Anyways, good debate and goodnight friends

Which is why we should vote for Republicans, maybe help their campaigns either, but still have people pushing for the next step