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No meat today fellas
Fellas, I’m volunteering with the KoC tonight at the fish fry. I’m only one under 50
We NEED young men to get involved at our churches
@Broseph I tried to join the knights of colombus but they were diffucult and I never got told the time of when I was to join and I missed it
I might try to join a branch at another parish
@🎭🎵 same happened to me actually. You just gotta pressure them I guess. I’m gonna talk to my Grand Knight tonight about it cuz he missed my email 2 months ago and I was busy when he finally responded
Good group if you can find an active circle
Grand Knight reminds me of a grand wizard
Grand cyclops is peak optics
If any of you live in NW Indiana there are a ton of very active KoC groups
And even more active beer gardens
DONT MESS WITH JAMES HELL CALL U A CHRIST CUCK
I'm in a group of goys putting together a hard-right ChristSoc gang
14/83 and 14/76 boys
The Law of the Seal of Confession
Is anyone in here “Christian Identity?” Do any non-CI believe in the two seed line theory, or that the Jews of today are from Esau’s line or some line other than the one they pretend to be from? And I’m not talking about the Khazar theory. I’m talking about the split between brothers Jacob and Esau and who their descendants are today. I’d like to know if anyone here has really studied this stuff. Is Jesus a “Hebrew” but not a “Jew?” Was Jesus a Galilean descended from caucasians? There are so many crackpot theories out there and I don’t know what to believe, but I do want to be able to say credibly that Jesus was not a Jew and here’s why. I’m all ears 👂.
Jesus was a Jew,
a Jew in the traditional sense.
They weren't always deceptive, and abhorrent in the eyes of God.
They were a decent people once.
Before their exile from their home into Babylon.
Even today their "star of David" is actually the star that God cursed in Deuteronomy.
It is a Babylonian symbol of the occult.
The Talmud Torah originated out of this place as well. The same as the worship of Jupiter.
Today they aren't even true descendants of the entirety of the Jewish people. Rather a single tribe which ran into Europe during their scattering.
I read that he was a Hebrew, which was a distinction in that the Jews are also Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews. Also I read that the word “Jew” didn’t even exist until after the time of Christ. Don’t ask me for citations. I didn’t write them down. 😩
Yeah I love that shit.
Thank the ADL. Wouldn't have been able to know about it without them.
*Mein Gott dieser Bücher sind alt.*
I countersignal German speak when it applies to our actual political movement. We don't need German ideas, we're a British culture.
And we're they're offspring.
Cope with it.
Du sprichst English, nicht Deutschesprache.
Und du bist ein Amerikaner. Nicht Deutschesvolk.
I'm more German than I am Anglo as well.
*but that is irrelevant*
Notice how they're trying to "canonize" every single liberal (post-1958) pope as quickly as possible.
Since the process for canonizing saints was dismantled in 1983, recent 'canonizations' are meaningless, thanfully.
__**14/83 IS GOOD FOR YOU AND ME!**__
Reading Dante and it's getting me SHOOK
thank you to the ADL for letting me know
DAB ON THE PAGANS
*warband is wonderful*
One of my favorite photos of Melania
God bless all you guys
pls join so i can be a mod
im not catholoc or orthodox but this is a nice sound
Lent is not over yet fellas, we still need to pray everyday
fellas we gotta pray for those nigerian girls abducted by boko haram during an attack on monday
Reminder: If you're into Catholic devotions, stay away from divine mercy and focus on the Sacred Heart instead. It's a fraud devotion that emphasizes false 'mercy' and salvation without true repentance via the sacrament of confession.
we are under seige
ive never seen the secondA under attack like it is now
switching over to gun chat
fk i just cooked a steak forgetting it was friday... now i gotta throw it out
why not refridgerate it
yea thats what i ended up doing
i'm having cereal now
I have no other food besides meat
@Warry Barry tried them but stick to basic cereal with very little sugar. It's very wholesome
When you feel the world is against you think of St. Athanasius
love that clip
faith, hope, charity, prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance fellas, we have to become virtuous or die trying
Go to church today 🙏
@Bret coming home from CPAC and I don't think I'll make it home for mass in tike
i went on saturday with whole family and my god children as opposed to poorly prepared breadpill very weak not a good look sad
He's right sadly
saturday mass was nice preist talked about how communists destroyed his mothers and fathers churches in eastern europe
Fellas remember to pray for our brothers in faith in the Holy Land
This should wake up some American Christian Zionists, yeah?
CHURCH IS COOL
No art channel so this will suffice
Saw a lot of great art at the gallery of art in DC
Really want to go back sometime
The beauty of western civilization was on full display there
Going through a tough time rn, would appreciate your prayers
@Broseph have you ever been to the Metropolitan museum of art in New York? Lots of amazing stuff there
@NickTheGreek no never been. Not a huge fan of art but the national gallery of art really moved me
@Broseph i was skeptical of at first (((metropolitan))), but they actually have a lot of old Greek and roman statues and artifacts and medieval armor
not to mention they do have a lot of amazing paintings as well
Very nice. I’ll go if ever up in NY
I have a hard time coming to Catholicism. I want to but it seems like it's on a one way course to hell.
Not only that but it flies in the face of American heritage.
Faith and God have to be in the first place, big guy otherwise its better to be an atheist. If you put your identity, your job, your leader(s) or anyting else before God its idolatry.
First of all, I will say that the human element of the Catholic Church is without a doubt currently at its lowest, weakest point in the last two millenia since the time of Christ. Anybody who converts to the True Faith at this point in time, given the unprecedented circumstances, is already practically a saint. This crisis is not without precedent or forwarning, St. Athanasius is a great example of a man who heroically fought the Church establishment during the time of the Arian heresy and guilded a faithful remnant through the dark time. In addition, many saints and visionaries warned that such an event would occur, for example St. Francis of Assisi:
*1. "The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.
2. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death.
3. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.
4. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.*
*5. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
6. Those who preserve in their fervor and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.
7. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer."*
As for the Church vs. American heritage, one was founded by Christ Himself while the other was founded on liberal enlightenment values. Culturally and spiritually, Christendom peaked long before America came along. While we should love our country and make it the best we can, we should not fall for the boomer-tier meme that America was the best thing that ever happened in human history. That being said, there is plenty of Catholic history in the Americas that we can look to for foundations and guidance.
Even in the New Testament you can find warnings about heresies and other schisms. The one that describes the best imo, the rise of protestantism and the problems linked with it, is Matthew 7:15: "Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves. You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?"
Luther did point out serious problems within the Church, as we should all as Catholics point out problems within our community, but we have to remain faithful to the Church that was instituted by Jesus Christ himself at all cost. We can easily see the terrible consequences of Luther's reform today: the incredible division of christian communities ie. mormons, evangelicals, baptists, 7th day adventist etc.... many of these communities allowing the most outrageaous things (abortion, gay marriage, ...) Above all, protestantism does not recognize the most important thing that Jesus has established at the last supper which is the Eucharist and the transubstantation: Then he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19). This is repeated in all of Gospels but Christ makes it very clear in Saint John's Gospel: "52 Then the Jews started arguing among themselves, 'How can this man give us his flesh to eat?'
53 Jesus replied to them: In all truth I tell you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise that person up on the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in that person.
57 As the living Father sent me and I draw life from the Father, so whoever eats me will also draw life from me.
58 This is the bread which has come down from heaven; it is not like the bread our ancestors ate: they are dead, but anyone who eats this bread will live for ever.
59 This is what he taught at Capernaum in the synagogue.
@Nicholas István We were founded on the principle of Protestantism and freedom of religion, furthermore, such a faith dictates that the founders of my country, a thing that by my own moral obligation I am in essence required to love, are in hell. Along with all of my ancestors who came here. I do not want to put anything before God, but rather I want to find the best means to honor him, and as of these last five hundred years I've not many ideas as to how we would go about such a thing with the options we have. Not only that but I see the creeds which are attracted to Catholicism and which have stuck with it traditionally, and of them the only admirable ones I can find are the Southern Germans, the Western Slavs, the Celtic peoples, and perhaps the French and Italians.
These make up an insignificant minority in contrast to those other people who compose it's faithful ranks. This is again where another conflict comes to mind. Many of the supposed theological conclusions of the church aren't derived from the bible. I believe much of it, but something like purgatory isn't directly mentioned at all. I'm inclined to believe such a thing but I am unsure.
@Thomas "The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." This is true, and yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The words Trinity and Incarnation aren’t in Scripture either, yet those doctrines are clearly taught in it. Likewise, Scripture teaches that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.
Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.
Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily.
makes me like the catholic theology over orthodox
@here MEDITATE ON HELL
In the Catholic faith would the founders of America be damned to hell? @here
Most likely, as none of them were catholics and they were masons
you can never know for sure though
Sounds pretty gay
Religion is the opiate of the people
We need opiates
Yeah I'd take an epidemic of the people being hopped up on christ rather than on heroin any day
It’s official boys. I joined.
There's more in memetics too.
Wouldn't Catholic principles clash greatly with American principles?
What came first, the Church or America?
And which takes primacy, God or ideology?
God always takes supremacy over ideology. Which is why such a thing would come into contrast with America. Wouldn't it be in the church's best interest if America were non-existent? The fact that it exists at all ought to be considered tantamount to heresy.
If someone asked me to renounce either my faith or my country, I'd renounce country. But that is wholly irrelevant.
america is built upon the enlightment and the enlightenment was a mistake
Then why should we support its traditions? Its heritage? If it's founded exclusively on heresy, then why should we even wish to preserve the traditions of such a thing?
its not exculsive, but its important to realize that americana has its flaws and thus something that goes against it inst exactly horrible
conservatism based on just remkaing the past cant happen we can only build a better future
Wouldn't that be considered putting primacy into a nation over God?
If you're trying to culturally preserve something that is deemed rhetorically toxic to the universal faith, would that not be considered heretical?
@here Anyone? I'm not trying to debate. this is messing with my head and I don't know if I should even support America as an idea anymore.
I mean I'm serious, we shouldn't have free speech as it pertains to ungodly behavior, we shouldn't have freedom of religion, we shouldn't have separation of church and state. All these things are against Catholic ideas and and principles. And yet as American traditionalists we fight to preserve them. What's more the people who made the country, were by definition heretics.
Why should we wish to preserve this idea, this nation at all?
I've been thinking about this very issue a lot lately, it's a complicated question that will be difficult to solve, further complicated by the fact that the 'overton window' is so far to the left right now. Until then, we could start by considering that America should be loved more as a people and land, and less as a creed, idea or ideology.
One source we can gain some insight is Pope Leo XIII's encyclical *Testem benevolentiae nostrae*, which addresses this topic to an extent.
But the ideas go hand in hand *with* the people and the land.
To separate one from the other would be to declassify it as a nation.
A nation is generally defined as a group of people with common ancestry, faith and culture. It wasn't until the 'enlightenment' era that ideology began to play a role in the framework of governance of some nations, until that point the only fundamental idea that persisted was Christendom, rooted in Natural Law.
and America is a product of that enlightenment.
How then could we possibly separate it from that concept then?
The world has been straying from God since long before America was founded... when the people, including the American *people*, come back to God, these liberal ideas will naturally seem much less important than they do now.
Then America will cease to be America.
I'm pretty sure the American people is what constitutes America, not treating the True Faith exactly the same as false religions and allowing degerates to spew their filth in public.
On a side note, I find it highly ironic how many people (not directed at you, just in general) act shocked by the doctrine of papal infallibility yet treat the founders as saints and the constitution as an infallible dogma.
Actually America was not founded on enlightenment. The American revolution was a reactionary movement against the absolute state of Westminster.
It is based on the tradition of liberties originated from medieval England.
Founding Fathers considered the British Empire and Westminster too corrupt, too "establishment", too "progressive".
@Nicholas István If we are to be Catholic, then by doctrine, we should not be proud Americans, or even British for that matter. Those two things contradict each other on a massive scale. If we should not conserve our national values, as they aren't Catholic, then we should not be proud to be Americans.
Pretty good take from the nibba I usually fight people that say America is completely enlightenment but it has some truth
Please pray for my health and my family in every prayer. Life has been throwing some real doosies at us
@Thomas Several thoughts come to mind here -
- This mindset brings to mind a heresy condemned by the Church that places tradition over reason as the as the primary arbiter of truth (not to say that tradition isn't highly valuable).
- Do you believe in religious liberty, free speech and separation of church and state in principal, or only because they play a role in American values?
- If/when America becomes Catholic, it would be far from the first non-Catholic nation or civilization to do so. Did Christianity not conflict somewhat with Roman values? Were the early Christians trying to eradicate what it means to be Roman?
@Nicholas István If I were not American I would consciously condemn these aspects, but as I am, and as my blood is deeply connected to these lands, I find myself defending the fabric of my society that is the constitution. Furthermore it did take away from what it meant to be Roman. Not that it was necessarily even a bad thing. But it did fundamentally change the idea of what it meant to be a citizen and participant of the Roman empire.
And it did pay for it.
And Rome met schism and death for it.
But was replaced.
So you are saying you believe in these liberal ideas not because you believe they are true, but because they are American?
Yano I'm actually arguing with people in the comments of the Styx debate who say that Jesus wasn't real
basically the guy was saying that there is no evidence for jesus being real, which is one of the most retarded things ive heard in a long time
So post ur response
PRAY FOR ITALY
@🎭🎵 basically I just mentioned the writings of Josephus and Tacitus but he ignored it anyway
I'm saying I believe them because it is part of me, it is tangible and therefore true. Americans are a very particular people with a very particular identity. These ideas are part of that. This is what makes us distinct from Europeans. If I were a member of any other nation, I would say we could do without religious liberty as a state religion usually coincides with what it means to be a part of that nation. Same with free speech.
Just as National Socialism of its own variety worked in Germany, it would not be as applicable to a place like America.
It is part of our tradition here, as we were founded by the blood of a few men who believed these things. Thus making it engrained into our national identity.
If I were Italian, I'd support Mussolini, if I were Romanian, I'd support the king, if I were Russian, I'd support the Tsar.
So on and so forth.
It is a fundamental truth woven into the fabric of our nation and therefore (seemingly) inseparable from it.
Just found out I'm not baptized SMH
@Thomas I think the heart of the matter here regarding your disagreement with the Church is that you are broadening natural differing traditions and customs between nations to include what the Church considers objective, universal moral principles. For example, because God commands that all the nations worship Him, states equating Christ to false religions is universally wrong, no matter where it is.
No, rather I am saying because I was born where I was born, raised how I was raised, taught what I was taught, and experienced what I experienced, I am culturally, and by blood, an American. I desire to be Catholic. I do not equate the values of nations with the values of church, rather I do the opposite. I point out where the church contradicts the principles on which my nation was built and founded and vice versa. And as such, we should not support such a thing. And if I were to become Catholic as of this very moment, it would mean I would completely reject America as a heretical failure and in need of destruction. Like Babylon. Do not ever mistake my comparison for equality. And until we find a clear answer to this I don't think any decent and honest Catholic should support America. Rather I think they ought to support its dissolution. If any man is truly faithful to Catholic tradition, if he sincerely believes in such a worldview, it is my observation that he should be staunchly against the preservation of countries like America. @Nicholas István
Do you guys read your daily readings?
The Christian radio I'm listening to is interviewing a BASED sodomite right now
Could I get some Catholic takes on this church? I want to convert to Catholicism from Baptist.
Not sure if this would be a good church though.
you should confess every weekend tbh
*as the pope washes the feet of immigrants and goes against doctrine* @🎭🎵
Traditional Catholicism is good but don't act like the criticisms aren't completely justified.
I’m not baptist, but I work at a baptist church. Is there something you dislike about it?
I jest I completely understand APOSTASY in the current year
Im a big orthodox apologist in particular but I think there is a purgatory, not that ive gone that deep into it
I have many questions for Catholicism, as you can see by the debate above.
But the theology is sound,
and as is the emans of succession.
@Deleted User I might be projecting, but I think it's the general lack of unity among the churches.
@Deleted User I want a church with more structure and authority. I use the label Baptist loosely anyways though, in the sense I grew up going to a Baptist church occasionally but fell out of faith for a number of years.
I don't feel well versed on the differences between Byzantine and Roman Catholics though.
I hope you find a congregation you feel comfortable in.
Someone help me find a benedictine monastery. I want to get items blessed.
It’s nice to have that powerful environment.
hot dog how can u even post here
Worshiping with others, especially through music (for me), helps me.
I would be sad if I couldn’t post in the Christian channel
Please don’t take that from me
My boyfriend is being a Catholic but I’m a baptist. Should I convert with him?
Well it’s your relationship with God
God comes before your boyfriend
So I’d do whatever brings you closer to him