same 😂

it makes me sad that I don't have a black friend that can say it for me IRL

wait.. I don't have black friends, maybe I'm wacist! 🤔

i just love the look of confusion and uncertainty, its the best

"He's like fucking Groot except he says "Nigga" instead of "I am Groot""

sometimes, there is gold in youtube comments

now I want to edit Groot saying nigga 😄

lmao

yiff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/147097417920151554/416393696066666496/28277199_10208975129453894_6796636244487694659_n.png

I feel really weird

mixture between anxiety and illness

like... jittery

I can't make my mask until the 28th 😦

nutrient food

mask?

I need a maks

mask

so I ordered a bunch of kydex

what kind of mask

a kydex mask

borderline gimp

gimp batman 60% coverage mask

that should prevent facial recognition

and make me look gay as fuck

I want people to see the mask and think "This guy puts dicks in his mouth"

oh fuck

I forgot to go get powder

sigh

tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ3JTI6tbKY

Wow, I just looked at the sample ballots for the primaries this year

And the republican one

If there's anyone here who generally votes on the Democrat side of things, does anything on the Republican side seem particularly leading? I can't help but notice that the language on the democrat ballot seems to have a guilt trip baked into it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4v0R6Q0po0

@RyeNorth The Republican ballot does look leading, yes. Not in the same way as the Democrat one and to a lesser degree but it is in there. (i'm more or less neutral since i'm not from the US, so not a Democrat opinion here 😉 )

Thanks for that, Falko.

Yeah, after really taking a look at it, the republican ballot DOES have some leading questions

but then, like...

rye im in that politics discord

this guy says all roads should be privately owned

hardcore anarcho capitalist

The democrat equivalent to the Abortion question would talk about preserving the sanctity of life or some shit like that, I think.

but I can see a little bit of republican slant in the other ballot.

the abortion question is not one of the leading ones. that one is just pure yes or no to abortion without any description or context.

but the very first one is a good example... the added "without democrat influence" is very suggestive.

I think what throws me off about the Dem ballot is the absolute LACK of context or policy with the framework...

yeah

such as 'Should everyone in Texas have the right to clean air, safe water, and a healthy environment?' Why even ask that?

That's not outlining policy or anything.

the democrat one is extremely leading when it comes to its phrasing and then lacks the context of why that question is even there or adds things that are barely related

Essentially, the propositions are there to give people a chance to help steer the party

i would say no to almost all of the democrat questions based on lack of context or because there is something in there that i would not want.

Right?

but they have to word it in that sneaky way to get people to say yes to it.

It's scary as fuck to me.

take number 3 for example... the healthcare one...

i live in a country with kinda universal healthcare and i really appreciate that and would not want to get rid of that but the question is so vague without any information how to implement it that i could not say yes to that...

(kinda universal: universal healthcare as a base and private healthcare if you get to a certain income or are self employed)

The dems have been pushing us towards single-payer only healthcare for years.

Also, in the US, Medicare isn't universally accepted, because they bounce checks.

the last one is not something that would happen here

we don't have "one universal" healthcare provider... anyone can choose theirs, they have to accept you and there is a fixed percentage that everyone pays from their income (or it will be paid by the state if you are unemployed)

We all pay medicare regardless.

there is a list of services that every healthcare provider has to provide but they can offer more services either for free or as a paid service (for example "dental" is included but you can get a premium service to get better quality dentures)

Also, the funny thing about #12 on that list, Texas is considered one of the best places to start a business because of our tax system, and the fact that our budget actually comes with a surplus.

number 12 says absolutely nothing

oh, that's on the Democrat one.

'Right to Fair Taxation'.

that could literally mean everyone pays everything they own to the state.

They've been fighting to add a state income tax for years.

the fact that they're calling it a 'right' on here is one of the many points that scares me.

just add it?

without cutting taxes somewhere else?

well, yeah.

okay...

It's our right to be taxed more.

In our state, we pay a sales tax, and a property tax.

In other states, you pay a state income tax, a state sales tax, a state property tax, in addition to the standard Federal income tax.

The system here works, because the money we spend gets taxed anyway, and the money made becomes money spent.

the tax income of the state should be equal the funds needed for the state to do its job - just adding a tax would defeat that purpose if you don't lack funds at the moment.

Well, that's just the thing

they're trying to make the government do more stuff

to me there are very specific things i want the government to do... some will make me sound like a socialist to some people 😄

Also, #11 is troublesome. By 'Workforce solutions', in that context, they're talking about ways of letting illegal immigrants work more jobs without consequences to the employers.

Most illegal immigrants in the United States work for less than minimum wage, though.

number 11 is self defeating. legal immigrants are either already citizens or on a work visa and already have jobs. illegal immigrants are, by definition, not law abiding.

Mmhmm

But see, the worse thing is

If you're in support of Illegal Immigrants working American jobs, there are two possible things wrong with that

first, it could be argued that you're in support of a permanent underclass that can work undesirable jobs for less-than-minimum wage

In which case, the argument for 'undocumented workers' in the modern era is the same argument made for slaves pre civil-war.

OR, if you're for amnesty and open borders, you're inadvertently in support of importing poverty.

open borders... 😒

Anecdotally, after Hurricane Harvey, I began to learn how to install Sheetrock, a service that was vitally important.

i'm all for taking in people from actual war zones... educate them and send them back once the war is over to rebuild their country.

I'm in favor of shutting the border now, but providing everyone who's gainfully employed (and pays taxes despite being illegal, I dunno how the fuck that works) a road to citizenship

I'm not.

but taking in just everyone is not something that will ever work

Because setting that precedent is dangerous.

Anyone that has any criminal record outside of being illegal is sent back, even for something as small as speeding or something.

And it already has precedent, Rye: Machine gun amnesty.

I don't see how the two are related.

Even things like blatantly -stolen- machine guns fell under that amnesty.

Riiiiight, but....

I'm talking belt-feds and M-16s taken out of army depots

mmmhmmm... riiiiiight.... but....

Machine Guns were not always illegal to own.

you are not talking about inanimate objects, you are talking about people with the ability to move around themselves.

however, crossing the border into the US without passport, visa, or citizenship has always been illegal.

So a universal amnesty for people who are gainfully employed, pay taxes and do not have a criminal record, with a very specific cutoff date, is not far beyond a certain level of precedent.

So you're only proposing a ban on assault mexicans.

single-action mexicans can stay.

okay... you announce that, i move in with a friend of mine, he gives me a job and i can become an american...?

(yes that would actually be a possibility for me in that case 😄 )

jokes aside, the point still remains, they didn't just break a law by crossing a border.

To exist in the United States in such a way requires repeated breach of law.

The point I'm making is that if that's the -only- breach of law they've made, and they've contributed to society outside of that, I see no reason other than a borderline spastic level of absolutist interpretation of the law (and justice cannot be absolute) that they should not be given a road to citizenship.

Working in the US without a Visa is also a crime, taxes or no. (Theoretically, everyone pays taxes, anyway.)

Giving a squatter tenancy in a house isn't justice, even if they put up nice curtains.

i mostly see a problem with the practicality

the principle... kind of... but there are multiple principles involved 😄

We're in the situation we're in because we've been lax on our laws. DACA, by the way stands for 'Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals'. The entire basis of that statement is that action will be taken later on.

Essentially, it bought time for a propaganda war to be fought, to try to fight for sympathy for the plight of the 'Dreamer'.

And I'm not *entirely* unsympathetic, either. But there's no fair way to do this.

Let's say, for instance, we only deport criminals.

The mother has a clean record. The child is in school. The father has a DUI accident that injured someone, while uninsured and unlicensed.

How would your proposed system handle this?

That sucks, good bye daddy.

So now the child grows up in a single-parent home?

you've separated the family unit.

No, I've not, they can move back with him.

I mean, I guess.

I still don't like that the citizenship that our Legal immigrants earned through years of effort is cheapened by a decree of amnesty.

Would this amnesty apply to those who are here on their visa working towards citizenship anyway?

you could start them at the point of an immigrant just coming in with a work visa

but yeah, giving them preferential treatment compared to legal immigrants would be... bad...

I mean, legal immigrants actually have to invest a lot of time and money into immigration

As is the case with most things legal and not

If you're willing to cut corners and do things illegally, you can generally do things easier, cheaper, etc.

Changing laws and requirements due to the already illegal actions of any group typically serves to hurt those who operate legally. Plenty of examples to back that up, as well. Many topical.

Enforcement of existing laws is the only just starting point.

when every country is a shithole, then no one will need to worry about immigration ... i think that is the plan of some people....

And it defeats the purpose of those laws to begin with.

It's like saying, "Eh, there's too many murders going on in Chicago. Better just pardon the whole lot."

I'm in favor of the children of illegal immigrants not being citizens, just like the children of refugees/migrants not being citizens of the countries they were born in, because they're not.

I think in order to be considered a citizen, at least *one* of your parents has to be a legal citizen.

This solves a whole lot of problems.

"But what if they have no citizenship anywhere? What if their home countries won't take them back?"
I don't think that'll happen nearly as much as people are afraid it will, but eh, we'll figure that out.

We can't let the outlier define the rule.

guess what happens if you don't define the rule by the outlier... everyone somehow seems to forget what country they came from.

...what? lol

"we deport you to mexico" - "but i'm not from mexico" - "so where are you from?" - "why would i tell you?"

you HAVE to account for that

Go by the nationality of the parents.

why would they tell you?

Well they obviously came from somewhere.

sure

how do you know where they were coming from?

I think it's a safe bet if they only speak spanish, look latino, and don't have any legal documentation and are here illegally in the first place.

spain?

..you do know that there are vast differences between Spain and Mexico, right? Even Mexican "Spanish" is not even 'proper' Spanish anymore.

i do know that... can you prove it?

Here e go with the runaround again.

"You don't have the perfect solution that can account for every little thing, therefore it is invalid."

and if you don't, why would mexico take them?

Because they're already mexican citizens.

are they? why would mexico not just say otherwise?

Then we make Mexico take them back.

I ask, what is the point of immigration laws, then, if you just let people come in by the millions and do nothing about it?

"Oh well, they're here anyway."

Why even have an immigration policy?

That's just open borders.

you have to account for people that do not cooperate, otherwise no one will cooperate

that statement is quite a bit different than calling for open borders 😉

Then they should be made to leave. The law should be enforced in the same way that any law is enforced.

It's still open borders in function.

The effect is the same.

sure, but you need a way to properly enforce it and that has to take into account that some people will not give you the information what country they are coming from.

hey mexico, take this venezuelan or we make you is not really helpful 😉

It would be in their interest to make sure that the person is from Venezuelan then, wouldn't it?

There's not going to be a perfect/clean solution to this. The only way for this to end perfectly is if we enforced immigration law in the first place and just not let them come here illegally.

It will be messy.

That's just life.

it would be in their interest not have the US try and send Venezuelans to their country in the first place 😉

you HAVE to rely on others when it comes to immigration, there is no way around it

So because some outliers and of some people that won't cooperate, we shouldn't enforce immigration policy?

no. you should find a way to account for the outliers

Frankly, I myself personally don't care, since again they're here illegally in the first place.

preferably one that does not include executions 😄

If they get lost in the system, that's the risk *they* took in coming here illegally.

"You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

If they want to get lost/stranded in some other country they know nothing of because they don't want to cooperate, that's on them.

the point is that you need to know where you can send them, which includes the information where they came from and/or a country that is willing to take them

They got here on their own well enough, they can make it back.

okay. how do you make sure of it? knock on their door and tell them to leave?

you should get a shithole country to take everyone you send there 😄

if that country is worse than where they originally came from they will at least tell you their origin 😄

You mean returning people to the country they illegally came into ours from? Yes.

not every country outside of the US is a shithole

I didn't say that.

You're the only one that's been meaning s-hole countries here. lol

in fact there are more then enough countries that see the US as a shithole 😉

I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion, but OK?

i'm not hyperbolic in the slightest here 😄

If they think the US is an s-hole then why are they here?

they probably aren't 😄

Funny that. lol

Besides, it's easy to sit on-high and judge the US when your country (not you-you, a hypothetical other person I'm addressing as 'you') is not facing the same issues.
Unless it's being overrrun by roving islamic migrants, in which case the policy very much still applies. lol

i would not want to move to the US for example (i don't think it's a shithole but there is a lot of stuff that makes me not want to move there)

And yeah, I wonder if there's a reason *why* the US is starting to turn into an s-hole. <:Kappa:327142715592540171>

decades of corruption in politics

pretty much is a guarantee for it

For the most part.

at least here it is illegal to bribe politicians 😄

I came from southern California, though, I lived the influx of illegals flooding into our country in real time. I've seen neighborhoods turn into utter garbage, including the one I grew up on.

the neighborhood i grew up in is crazy expensive now 😄

I realize the way I speak, most people would confuse me for a white nationalist, and maybe partly I am idk. My issue with the large amounts of immigrants and the mass migration is that these people don't assimiliate with the culture of their host countries. They just form shanty towns wherever they settle down in large numbers, effectively turning parts of their host country into something much more resembling they place they came from.

but overall, like i said earlier: take in refugees, educate them and then send them back when the crisis is over. allow immigration only from people that would be able to support themselves.

you don't sound like richard spencer yet 😉

That's all well and good, but that doesn't fix the issue we have with the people here already.

apply the second part

That's a good policy *going forward*, after we've solved the issue, but that's not going to happen the way things are going right now.

or combine the second part with the first one...

I've been talking about trying to apply the second part this whole time. lol

and in principle i'm agreeing with that (obviously, i said it 😉 ) but my point is that it is easier said then done.

Although there are plenty of things I do agree with the altright on, just not a lot of their solutions.
I'd be more on-board with the alt right if they'd just shut up about "da joos."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LXwo3WGyXc

the juice is a niners player.

"I'm looking for my friend 'Da', last name 'Joos.'"

but Joos is a first name?

Some people have some weird names, sometimes.

That's one thing I like about Tim's server.

We can just talk/discuss ideas without it devolving into just cussing or personal attacks.

~~Mostly.~~

i only use cussing and personal attacks when i quote american presidents 😄

but yeah... it's all very reasonable here

fuck you

also, good morning

<:yey:414288771824091137>

okay... that's insulting! good morning at 4pm 😄

hey... tim said yesterday that a new video is coming out right about now 😄

OK? lol

I feel sad for the car 😁

Same

My most racist inclination I think is that I avoid white trucks if at all possible, they're always driven by assholes lol