Enforcement of existing laws is the only just starting point.

when every country is a shithole, then no one will need to worry about immigration ... i think that is the plan of some people....

And it defeats the purpose of those laws to begin with.

It's like saying, "Eh, there's too many murders going on in Chicago. Better just pardon the whole lot."

I'm in favor of the children of illegal immigrants not being citizens, just like the children of refugees/migrants not being citizens of the countries they were born in, because they're not.

I think in order to be considered a citizen, at least *one* of your parents has to be a legal citizen.

This solves a whole lot of problems.

"But what if they have no citizenship anywhere? What if their home countries won't take them back?"
I don't think that'll happen nearly as much as people are afraid it will, but eh, we'll figure that out.

We can't let the outlier define the rule.

guess what happens if you don't define the rule by the outlier... everyone somehow seems to forget what country they came from.

...what? lol

"we deport you to mexico" - "but i'm not from mexico" - "so where are you from?" - "why would i tell you?"

you HAVE to account for that

Go by the nationality of the parents.

why would they tell you?

Well they obviously came from somewhere.

sure

how do you know where they were coming from?

I think it's a safe bet if they only speak spanish, look latino, and don't have any legal documentation and are here illegally in the first place.

spain?

..you do know that there are vast differences between Spain and Mexico, right? Even Mexican "Spanish" is not even 'proper' Spanish anymore.

i do know that... can you prove it?

Here e go with the runaround again.

"You don't have the perfect solution that can account for every little thing, therefore it is invalid."

and if you don't, why would mexico take them?

Because they're already mexican citizens.

are they? why would mexico not just say otherwise?

Then we make Mexico take them back.

I ask, what is the point of immigration laws, then, if you just let people come in by the millions and do nothing about it?

"Oh well, they're here anyway."

Why even have an immigration policy?

That's just open borders.

you have to account for people that do not cooperate, otherwise no one will cooperate

that statement is quite a bit different than calling for open borders 😉

Then they should be made to leave. The law should be enforced in the same way that any law is enforced.

It's still open borders in function.

The effect is the same.

sure, but you need a way to properly enforce it and that has to take into account that some people will not give you the information what country they are coming from.

hey mexico, take this venezuelan or we make you is not really helpful 😉

It would be in their interest to make sure that the person is from Venezuelan then, wouldn't it?

There's not going to be a perfect/clean solution to this. The only way for this to end perfectly is if we enforced immigration law in the first place and just not let them come here illegally.