In other states, you pay a state income tax, a state sales tax, a state property tax, in addition to the standard Federal income tax.

The system here works, because the money we spend gets taxed anyway, and the money made becomes money spent.

the tax income of the state should be equal the funds needed for the state to do its job - just adding a tax would defeat that purpose if you don't lack funds at the moment.

Well, that's just the thing

they're trying to make the government do more stuff

to me there are very specific things i want the government to do... some will make me sound like a socialist to some people 😄

Also, #11 is troublesome. By 'Workforce solutions', in that context, they're talking about ways of letting illegal immigrants work more jobs without consequences to the employers.

Most illegal immigrants in the United States work for less than minimum wage, though.

number 11 is self defeating. legal immigrants are either already citizens or on a work visa and already have jobs. illegal immigrants are, by definition, not law abiding.

Mmhmm

But see, the worse thing is

If you're in support of Illegal Immigrants working American jobs, there are two possible things wrong with that

first, it could be argued that you're in support of a permanent underclass that can work undesirable jobs for less-than-minimum wage

In which case, the argument for 'undocumented workers' in the modern era is the same argument made for slaves pre civil-war.

OR, if you're for amnesty and open borders, you're inadvertently in support of importing poverty.

open borders... 😒

Anecdotally, after Hurricane Harvey, I began to learn how to install Sheetrock, a service that was vitally important.

i'm all for taking in people from actual war zones... educate them and send them back once the war is over to rebuild their country.

I'm in favor of shutting the border now, but providing everyone who's gainfully employed (and pays taxes despite being illegal, I dunno how the fuck that works) a road to citizenship

I'm not.

but taking in just everyone is not something that will ever work

Because setting that precedent is dangerous.

Anyone that has any criminal record outside of being illegal is sent back, even for something as small as speeding or something.

And it already has precedent, Rye: Machine gun amnesty.

I don't see how the two are related.

Even things like blatantly -stolen- machine guns fell under that amnesty.

Riiiiight, but....

I'm talking belt-feds and M-16s taken out of army depots

mmmhmmm... riiiiiight.... but....

Machine Guns were not always illegal to own.

you are not talking about inanimate objects, you are talking about people with the ability to move around themselves.

however, crossing the border into the US without passport, visa, or citizenship has always been illegal.

So a universal amnesty for people who are gainfully employed, pay taxes and do not have a criminal record, with a very specific cutoff date, is not far beyond a certain level of precedent.

So you're only proposing a ban on assault mexicans.

single-action mexicans can stay.

okay... you announce that, i move in with a friend of mine, he gives me a job and i can become an american...?

(yes that would actually be a possibility for me in that case 😄 )

jokes aside, the point still remains, they didn't just break a law by crossing a border.

To exist in the United States in such a way requires repeated breach of law.

The point I'm making is that if that's the -only- breach of law they've made, and they've contributed to society outside of that, I see no reason other than a borderline spastic level of absolutist interpretation of the law (and justice cannot be absolute) that they should not be given a road to citizenship.

Working in the US without a Visa is also a crime, taxes or no. (Theoretically, everyone pays taxes, anyway.)