Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-02-23 10:15:48 UTC  

oh, that's on the Democrat one.

2018-02-23 10:16:00 UTC  

'Right to Fair Taxation'.

2018-02-23 10:16:13 UTC  

that could literally mean everyone pays everything they own to the state.

2018-02-23 10:16:32 UTC  

They've been fighting to add a state income tax for years.

2018-02-23 10:16:59 UTC  

the fact that they're calling it a 'right' on here is one of the many points that scares me.

2018-02-23 10:17:18 UTC  

just add it?

2018-02-23 10:19:08 UTC  

without cutting taxes somewhere else?

2018-02-23 10:19:14 UTC  

well, yeah.

2018-02-23 10:20:32 UTC  

okay...

2018-02-23 10:20:43 UTC  

It's our right to be taxed more.

2018-02-23 10:20:55 UTC  

In our state, we pay a sales tax, and a property tax.

2018-02-23 10:21:27 UTC  

In other states, you pay a state income tax, a state sales tax, a state property tax, in addition to the standard Federal income tax.

2018-02-23 10:21:52 UTC  

The system here works, because the money we spend gets taxed anyway, and the money made becomes money spent.

2018-02-23 10:21:59 UTC  

the tax income of the state should be equal the funds needed for the state to do its job - just adding a tax would defeat that purpose if you don't lack funds at the moment.

2018-02-23 10:22:13 UTC  

Well, that's just the thing

2018-02-23 10:22:22 UTC  

they're trying to make the government do more stuff

2018-02-23 10:23:35 UTC  

to me there are very specific things i want the government to do... some will make me sound like a socialist to some people 😄

2018-02-23 10:23:35 UTC  

Also, #11 is troublesome. By 'Workforce solutions', in that context, they're talking about ways of letting illegal immigrants work more jobs without consequences to the employers.

2018-02-23 10:24:25 UTC  

Most illegal immigrants in the United States work for less than minimum wage, though.

2018-02-23 10:25:24 UTC  

number 11 is self defeating. legal immigrants are either already citizens or on a work visa and already have jobs. illegal immigrants are, by definition, not law abiding.

2018-02-23 10:25:34 UTC  

Mmhmm

2018-02-23 10:25:39 UTC  

But see, the worse thing is

2018-02-23 10:26:24 UTC  

If you're in support of Illegal Immigrants working American jobs, there are two possible things wrong with that

2018-02-23 10:27:21 UTC  

first, it could be argued that you're in support of a permanent underclass that can work undesirable jobs for less-than-minimum wage

2018-02-23 10:28:44 UTC  

In which case, the argument for 'undocumented workers' in the modern era is the same argument made for slaves pre civil-war.

2018-02-23 10:29:43 UTC  

OR, if you're for amnesty and open borders, you're inadvertently in support of importing poverty.

2018-02-23 10:30:51 UTC  

open borders... 😒

2018-02-23 10:31:14 UTC  

Anecdotally, after Hurricane Harvey, I began to learn how to install Sheetrock, a service that was vitally important.

2018-02-23 10:31:40 UTC  

i'm all for taking in people from actual war zones... educate them and send them back once the war is over to rebuild their country.

2018-02-23 10:31:45 UTC  

I'm in favor of shutting the border now, but providing everyone who's gainfully employed (and pays taxes despite being illegal, I dunno how the fuck that works) a road to citizenship

2018-02-23 10:32:17 UTC  

I'm not.

2018-02-23 10:32:18 UTC  

but taking in just everyone is not something that will ever work

2018-02-23 10:32:28 UTC  

Because setting that precedent is dangerous.

2018-02-23 10:32:30 UTC  

Anyone that has any criminal record outside of being illegal is sent back, even for something as small as speeding or something.

2018-02-23 10:32:57 UTC  

And it already has precedent, Rye: Machine gun amnesty.

2018-02-23 10:33:49 UTC  

I don't see how the two are related.

2018-02-23 10:34:15 UTC  

Even things like blatantly -stolen- machine guns fell under that amnesty.

2018-02-23 10:34:31 UTC  

Riiiiight, but....

2018-02-23 10:34:32 UTC  

I'm talking belt-feds and M-16s taken out of army depots

2018-02-23 10:34:41 UTC  

mmmhmmm... riiiiiight.... but....

2018-02-23 10:34:56 UTC  

Machine Guns were not always illegal to own.