as they did not take that power nor use force to keep it

so its basically a group decision to follow the advice of someone.

Actual communism is stateless

making them a leader without being given the official position as leader.

what is a state?

Socialism is the strongman leader stage that never leads to it

A hierarchical structure that effectively manages an area

@Beemann the left wants President Hillary Clinton and will settle for nothing less, constitution be damned.

Right but that can't happen

so a family unit is a state?

So they're fighting for Pence lol

No, a family unit takes care of itself

so does a state

It doesn't manage land or roads or taxes, a state does

a state is just a central authority of a community

so a family unit that has a home

At best a family unit in a modern context rents land from a state

remove what you think of as the state currently

a family is just a small scale state

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/405036251368914945/481771075735257088/SmartSelect_20180822-132416_Discord.jpg

you have a family unit, who has an area of land they have fenced in. they have pathways they maintain for moving about, plants to tend to, maintenance on the home, etc. There is also, usually, a hierarchy.

SPREAD THE BUS

>remove the subject of the conversation so we can argue semantics
No thanks fam

ffs

arguing semantics on the internet,

Thats just mandatory in every conversation 😛

so basically make up this entity, give it no parameters, and just say it exists.

This is getting right back to
>any sharing is communism lol

I've started "liberal arts college cringe posting" on Sargon's server where I'll try to post some cringy stuff every day. Do you want me to do it here as well

we call it the state, but what makes it different from the family unit in a fenced in area

i'm not remove the state from the equation, i'm trying to get you to accurately define it

The family unit manages only itself, the state manages the family and all other families

most people agree a family is not hte state, why?

a family unit has a head of house or managers other people.

Because a family unit does not have the authority a state does. Their application of force is limited, and you can bail out on your family

You can only bail out of a state into another state

how does a state have authority?

why does my dad have authority over me?

who grants this authority?

big difference between state and family

Is that you can't just leave and its not your family anymore

But if you leave a state, you're gone

Via the use of force. Your dad only has authority because he can kick you out of his house, usually using the state if you refuse

okay, so he is the state?

No, and if you has read what I said that distinction would be clear

who says its his house?

Your father is not an organization

my family is

he just leads it

he is the president, or maybe my mom is the president. the other parent, vp.

who said this was their house? why can't it be my house?

Your family does not have a military or bureaucracy, and I can leave a family without vying for citizenship with another family

If it's your house your parents only have whatever authority you feasibly give them

And/or whatever sociopathic levels of force they're willing to leverage against their own offspring

Again, this is "any sharing is communism" tier

military is just a form of force, like family has physical strength / a gun

who says you can?

Not to mention the fact that a lot of commies advocate communal childrearing anyway

doesn't that depend on where you are born

what if there is no unclaimed land left

then you need to be either taken into another family, or treated as a refugee.

the other day on r/anarchism they were complaining about being banned from r/communism

talking about how the left is ban happy

the irony was lost on them unfortauntely

😛

cooled off a bit have you Tim?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/995955/banned_from_rcommunism_do_i_get_a_medal/

"In my experience, both r/communism and r/socialism are not very friendly places. Try the 101 versions of each."

like r/anarchism

they are so close to realizing they are not actually all that good as people

do I have any interest in the college posting? didn't get a response and there's some really spicy stuff around here

they're close, the only thing to break it is people telling them that, so they kick them, so no one can tell the truth, and they can live in their lie

Cringe stuff? we have several people here that bring cringe constantly

from my college specifically

stuff I see

go ahead i guess? just don't cause trouble 😛

there will be trouble if the mob finds out I'm making fun of them

yeah i meant like, keep it classy and know theres a shitposting channel here 😛

anyway, let's get this started

There is no unclaimed land already and people still leave their families lol

no unclaimed land and people still leave their states, lol.

tell me, at what point does any given social hierarchy, family, town, community, what have you, transform from being like your typical family unit, to being the state. There are plenty of families that, once large enough, become like mini-states. I think most people agree a family unit is not equal to the state. But i want to know why. It is very important if you want to remove the state.

Yes, to go to another state

we define the state as this thing that rules over us.

A family unit cannot hold the monopoly on force, is not sovereign and is not a political organization. It is also not compulsory

who grants any one of those things?

how is a family not compulsory?

To be blunt, whoever has the biggest stick

so, then whoever has the biggest stick is the state?

Because you can leave the area your family "rules" over

Group of people is a family,
Group of families is a community,
Group of communities is a town,
Group of towns is a country,
A countries leaders is called a state?

i can leave the area my state rules over

Only to go to another state

no

For which participation is also compulsory

Yes

i can easily head out to sea

or the artic

At which point a state will lay claim to any good shit you have

a family could come in and try to lay claim to any land i have

Your dad's not going to claim the neighborhood with his pistol

why not? has happened before

how many crime families used to run major cities

>a single person is a crime family