Message from @Grenade123

Discord ID: 481858115709435904


2018-08-22 16:08:38 UTC  

Yes, to go to another state

2018-08-22 16:09:24 UTC  

we define the state as this thing that rules over us.

2018-08-22 16:09:25 UTC  

A family unit cannot hold the monopoly on force, is not sovereign and is not a political organization. It is also not compulsory

2018-08-22 16:09:51 UTC  

who grants any one of those things?

2018-08-22 16:10:02 UTC  

how is a family not compulsory?

2018-08-22 16:10:04 UTC  

To be blunt, whoever has the biggest stick

2018-08-22 16:10:21 UTC  

so, then whoever has the biggest stick is the state?

2018-08-22 16:10:24 UTC  

Because you can leave the area your family "rules" over

2018-08-22 16:10:30 UTC  

Group of people is a family,
Group of families is a community,
Group of communities is a town,
Group of towns is a country,
A countries leaders is called a state?

2018-08-22 16:10:36 UTC  

i can leave the area my state rules over

2018-08-22 16:10:43 UTC  

Only to go to another state

2018-08-22 16:10:47 UTC  

no

2018-08-22 16:10:49 UTC  

For which participation is also compulsory

2018-08-22 16:10:50 UTC  

Yes

2018-08-22 16:10:51 UTC  

i can easily head out to sea

2018-08-22 16:10:58 UTC  

or the artic

2018-08-22 16:11:11 UTC  

At which point a state will lay claim to any good shit you have

2018-08-22 16:11:30 UTC  

a family could come in and try to lay claim to any land i have

2018-08-22 16:11:39 UTC  

Your dad's not going to claim the neighborhood with his pistol

2018-08-22 16:11:51 UTC  

why not? has happened before

2018-08-22 16:12:07 UTC  

how many crime families used to run major cities

2018-08-22 16:12:19 UTC  

>a single person is a crime family

2018-08-22 16:12:30 UTC  

>an entire criminal organization

2018-08-22 16:13:08 UTC  

sure

2018-08-22 16:13:18 UTC  

i mean, dictators run whole countries

2018-08-22 16:13:41 UTC  

No they don't. They have entire organizations underneath them that keep things running

2018-08-22 16:14:03 UTC  

Fucking Stalin wasn't going to show up to nick you for jaywalking

2018-08-22 16:14:03 UTC  

yeah, and? one person runs it, people follow that person

2018-08-22 16:14:17 UTC  

just like my dad is the head and my mom follows, and they force their will on me

2018-08-22 16:14:21 UTC  

Right, and the authority limits the space controlled

2018-08-22 16:14:23 UTC  

they can easily come after me if i leave

2018-08-22 16:14:42 UTC  

Yes, and 2 people is not a military

2018-08-22 16:14:52 UTC  

2 people vs 1 person? why not.

2018-08-22 16:15:14 UTC  

1 person can be as effect as a whole army.

2018-08-22 16:15:20 UTC  

how many people are needed to be a military?

2018-08-22 16:15:51 UTC  

personally, i think the only thing separating your usual family, and the state, is just a matter of scale.

2018-08-22 16:16:00 UTC  

so then what is the min amount to be called a state

2018-08-22 16:16:16 UTC  

>one person can be an entire professional organization

2018-08-22 16:16:26 UTC  

There's more to it than scale, but scale is a large part of it

2018-08-22 16:16:59 UTC  

thats fine, why are you not defining scale then. outside nebulous terms. just go "military is at least 100 people" or something like that.

2018-08-22 16:17:11 UTC  

"goverment needs at least 20 people"