go ahead i guess? just don't cause trouble 😛

there will be trouble if the mob finds out I'm making fun of them

yeah i meant like, keep it classy and know theres a shitposting channel here 😛

anyway, let's get this started

There is no unclaimed land already and people still leave their families lol

no unclaimed land and people still leave their states, lol.

tell me, at what point does any given social hierarchy, family, town, community, what have you, transform from being like your typical family unit, to being the state. There are plenty of families that, once large enough, become like mini-states. I think most people agree a family unit is not equal to the state. But i want to know why. It is very important if you want to remove the state.

Yes, to go to another state

we define the state as this thing that rules over us.

A family unit cannot hold the monopoly on force, is not sovereign and is not a political organization. It is also not compulsory

who grants any one of those things?

how is a family not compulsory?

To be blunt, whoever has the biggest stick

so, then whoever has the biggest stick is the state?

Because you can leave the area your family "rules" over

Group of people is a family,
Group of families is a community,
Group of communities is a town,
Group of towns is a country,
A countries leaders is called a state?

i can leave the area my state rules over

Only to go to another state

no

For which participation is also compulsory

Yes

i can easily head out to sea

or the artic

At which point a state will lay claim to any good shit you have

a family could come in and try to lay claim to any land i have

Your dad's not going to claim the neighborhood with his pistol

why not? has happened before

how many crime families used to run major cities

>a single person is a crime family

>an entire criminal organization

sure

i mean, dictators run whole countries

No they don't. They have entire organizations underneath them that keep things running

Fucking Stalin wasn't going to show up to nick you for jaywalking

yeah, and? one person runs it, people follow that person

just like my dad is the head and my mom follows, and they force their will on me

Right, and the authority limits the space controlled

they can easily come after me if i leave

Yes, and 2 people is not a military

2 people vs 1 person? why not.

1 person can be as effect as a whole army.