Look them up.

Throwing your life away on counter-productivity that does not benefit your life long-term. Relying on instant-gratification to pass you by. Laziness in a nutshell.

what if laziness is a myth tho

its your will to do what it is your doing

Who cares about future when they can just have fun.care-free? Even if they run out of money and can't maintain their house or a place to stay. That's neutral nihilism.

Some notable Hedonist philosophers: Hegesias the Death Persuader, Aristippus of Cyrene, Aristippus the Younger, Theodorus the Atheist, etc.

oh no.... its @Happy Humble Hermit

@Iheanacho Even a hedonist can create a calculus that will allow them to want a greater pleasure in the future than a less greater one in the present.

Research hedonism.

Some hedonists even believe that intellectual pursuits are quite pleasurable and make them consistent with the want of pleasure in life.

you know what's an anti hedonist film > HELL RAISER

lmao

What up homies

Sup.

Or is it perhaps the most hedonistic film ever especially if you are a masochist lol

true. that guy got every thing he wanted, until he was dragged to the other dimension . LOL.

lmao

Keep in mind, I'm not even a hedonist, per se. I'm skeptical even of pleasure.

never thought id hear that from a human. Skeptical of pleasure ? like Earned pleasure? Free Pleasure ?

All of it.

Even of the sensation, even orgasm.

All Pleasure ?? So is it your Pleasure to Escape Pleasure ??

Is it that I am escaping, or that I'm not convinced that pleasure is worth seeking?

For all that seek pleasure, could seek pain.

if its not worth Seeking, What is the Equivalent of pleasure Worth seeking in your value?

So does Pain Feel Good?

Its weird... the line between pleasure and pain becomes blurred.

Some people need to feel humiliated in order to achieve orgasm.

LOL, have you ever touched something hot and cold on metal, it gives you pain and relief at the same time, exactly what your talking about

Or if you have a sex fetish where you like you like to have your head squeezed by a woman's thighs because it makes you hard.

See this why I have focused most attention and support with the MGTOW community. They are more focused and more organized than nihilism and they seem to be only ones that will actually call out misandry and injustice indiscriminately, not just from feminists. Tell me what faction that is not a pro-feminist sanctuary will criticize traditionalists, particularly female ones?

It's just impossible for nihilism to do anything like that. Everyone is on their own - a free-for-all environment. No true allies.

Though, I've longed given up hope in allegiances and often fought my battles single-handedly.

I think that you may be arguing too strongly lol

... dude this is a general discord. anything goes man. HAHA

But I do still analyze and salvage info from all of these other movements.

Perhaps MGTOW, MRA and anything else thought of in the 2000+ years is simply not good enough.

MRM, not MRA.

And I am just saying in general my two-cents about nihilism and it's cons.

Perhaps we need simply newer and more radical ideas that can achieve what people want without the pitfalls of what has previously been theorized.

It's far from perfect, but it is necessary for me.

@Seven Of Swords , Pleasure is not just about sexual arousal pleasure tho. you could get pleasure from eating ice cream too

Perhaps the idea that things are necessary is yet another pitfall.

@ZODD But what about ice cream headaches?

i don't get those...

Well I do...

Air is necessary. You need that to breath. Would you rather stop breathing and drop dead?

They hurt like hell, but ice cream tastes very good

Exactly.

air's not a pleasure it's more innate

Clean air is a pleasure

@Iheanacho Just because you can die, it doesn't follow that it is necessary that you must live...

You really don't have to breath air...

As long as there is way for it to be possible that necessary circumstances can be different, its not the case that they are necessary.

And see, that is my problem with neutral nihilism. Too questionable and trivial. Progressive route is more focused. People there got their shite together and just stick to it.

Is it that they have their shit together, or just put up the illusion that they do?

One has to control all of these trivialities and focused mind.

How does that happen?

Through progression. Bite the bullet and take measures to benefit your own future. Oxygen is too obvious. Don't neglect it if you wish to live. I still want to live as I want to achieve my goals and maintain them.

Collect thoughts, define goals, and pursue them. Everything else shall resolve itself upon that path.

What if you prefer not to live, yet you don't want to die either?

The ol' classic trivial mind fuck.

To me, it sounds like you've been listening to too much Jordan Peterson lmao

I dislike Jordan Peterson.

Then why support is self-help nonsense about attempting to build a foundation for goals based upon nothing?

I am more of a trial-and-error person. self-educate, and improvise.

That approach may seem intuitive, yet is riddled with paradox.

i listened to jordan peterson , but because he is not of my generation, i cannot see what he sees, i love it when he makes people look stupid on youtube tho.

You guys should check out his talk with Philosopher David Benatar.

Benatar is an anti-natalist, and Peterson gets destroyed imo

@Seven Of Swords , your approach may be paradoxical , but your suffering is how you live. you can either improve it, or stick with whatchu got.

Have you heard of Samsara?

@Seven Of Swords Why not build from nothing? If everyone thought the same way, humanity would be extinct.

If I thought the way you did, I probably would have committed suicide a long time ago. That is why nihilism needs to be controlled to avoid drifting apart into the Void.

that could be a spicy meme right there

I'm not convinced that suicide is worth more than living. And on the flip side, I'm not convinced that living is worth more than committing suicide.

If any of you guys in chat rn need to be meme approved let me know

@Iheanacho How the hell can you build from nothing?

make a meme of that

Ditto.

@Seven Of Swords he's stating your nothing, so you can only go up from where you are now.

Y'all need to play some construction games, it really helps influence the nihilism premise. From nothing to something.

@ZODD How does one differentiate between nothing and something?

Fallout Shelter helps too. This War is Mine. Civilizations.

well, they can be the same thing

hmm...

something could be nothing, and nothing is something

Then how is anything else different from me if nothing cannot be distinguished from something?

stop fucking with me LOL

This problem gets brought up in Plato.

I don't think that it gets resolved in his dialogues, so I very much doubt that it will be solved by any of us in this server lmao

i don't know if its a problem but a puzzle of words definitely

Ok... how is a puzzle of words not a problem?

@Iheanacho Will the human species go extinct?

well yeah , its a situation that is unwelcome, a puzzle is more of an equation . but either way, i don't see it as an issue here on this discord.

Hmm.... So a problem is unwelcomed while a puzzle could be welcomed?

i never said the puzzle was welcomed, its just not relative to me

gotcha

too much critical thinking for today guys, Cya Later.

@Iheanacho Suggested that with my mindset that the human species would be extinct. My questions to this are three fold: 1) why does it matter if the human species goes extinct? 2) if the human species will go extinct anyway (as suggested by any biological understanding of life on the planet), what difference does it make between different types of nihilism if the outcome will be the same regardless? and 3) if not being born is better than being born, wouldn't extinction be preferable to species reproduction?

1). it does not have to matter to you, just focus on bettering your life.

2). Too obvious. One type delays the inevitable and expands their personal future, another stagnates and embraces extinction, and the final voluntarily accelerates it.

3). Overcome such irony. We need people to prosper, but it would help to have smart and caring people. A society full of toxics will make it easier for one to neglect it and leave it for death.

But if death and extinction comes for the loving and the hateful alike, what difference does it make in prolonging it?

So tip the odds in favor and outnumber and outmatch the parasites festering our society, otherwise focus on oneself and make good use of your life while it lasts instead of squandering it.

What do you mean by "parasites festering our society"?

I cannot possibly see how any of it matters to the point that the human species ought to keep on surviving even thought extinction is inevitable...

Scenario 1: The human species gets over all of its problems and lives peacefully for the next 400,000 years but goes extinct due to nature or entropy.

Scenario 2: A nuclear holocaust occurs people could not have ever possibly have gotten over their problems and everyone dies in the wake of nuclear fire and humanity goes extinct.

Whats up? brothers

Why should perhaps 400,000 years of people living relatively peacefully be worth more than only 10 more years until a nuclear exchange, yet the human species goes extinct regardless?

@the adventures male Just a neutral nihilist stuck in limbo from the Void. Happens too often...

That doesn't answer my questions lol

No need for hydrogen bombs soon yellowstone will erupt with a greater force

I never even said that I was a nihilist per se, but I don't see how your approach to trying to say that your approach is any better than nihilism is successful...

I get your point Seven, there is an endless stream of questionability and triviality of life. I just bite the bullet, take a chance and hope for the best.

That is what is different between us then. I'm not a man of faith commitments.

Biting bullets is simply too much for me, especially when biting bullets simply leaves nothing but teeth of steel...

I'am sick of this gynocentric socity

Nihilism is my approach, using it to better and expand my life and perspective. Focusing on my own life instead of living for others by their demands.

Every day the shove border line pornogrphy in your face in places like MTV,The internet and even outside

Hence the goal of progression.

@Iheanacho That's more like egoism, than nihilism lmao

Read Max Stirner

You'd like him lol

Nihilism helps me stand on my own grounds. It helped me see a truth in human nature and life. It helps me question morality and think for myself instead of following a preset of rules handed to me by blue-pilled cucks on a golden platter.

Egotism does not cover morality. A morally righteous person can be egotistical.

I said EGOism

Not egoTISM

An egoist would see morality in the same fashion that you do.

An egoist would see morality as a way to control the individual at his own expense.

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I think that much of MGTOW would actually like egoism, but since none of them read, they haven't even heard of it lmao

Everything comes from egoeisem

Mgtow Is a self precrvation

Not everything necessarily, but many do rely on it.

In the face of Redical feminisem

Mgtow is the only safe anctuary for man

No its not lmao

there are other ways to avoid societies' pitfalls than going mgtow

Thing is, I am not just "egoistic", I am nihilistic. I really don't see life holding any true meaning by default. I am just making my own meaning to motivate myself to benefit my life. An excuse to stay alive. But a necessary one.

>doesn't see life holding any true meaning
>making one's own meaning is necessary to stay alive

Pick one. You are confusing us.

I pick both. Life has meaning when I MAKE meaning.

Life purpose is not handed to me automatically.

I must manually create it.

When you suggested that life has no true meaning, yet all of the sudden it does based upon nothing more than "because I say so" you are confusing me.

Does you declaring that life has true meaning necessitate that it does?

And you manually create it ex nihilo... somehow

How the hell does meaning all of the sudden have the power to pull itself up from its bootstraps just because someone says so?

Not because I say so, because I find one that gives meaning. Many things can give meaning to your life. You could exist just to make plants, build cars, drive trucks, or even crazy ones, like being a hitman.

Then meaning is external then?

Alright look, we're getting nowhere with this. We're going on tangents here and I gotta head to work in the next few minutes. I gotta go.

See ya man.

Alright, peace brothers.

For me Mgtow is cure

I hate women

because they make the perception off something is wrong with you if you are single

and various other reasons

for me working part time and working out and gaming on my free time is plenty

I mean everyone views you as doing something wrong when you don't want a relationship.

it's not just women, it's men too

the only ones who seem to understand are mgtow tbh

@Rexxer The Mighty🤔

not to mention the shit they keep getting away with and men keep simping

Let's discuss this in VC then

Here’s an off topic question

Would the Solar System be able to hold 1 trillion people?

Only mining every asteroid and moons

And buiding space colonies

Has anyone here ever played the Mass Effect series or have seen the TV show "The Expanse"?

Has anyone here seen Zeitgeist?

Got through ME1 and Andromeda... Mostly cus 2 and 3 weren't backcompat yet.

Go see Zeitgeist.

Noted

What would Unlimited energy even mean?

Now we are starting to think lmao

Better question is what can't we do without it

Do not play Andromeda. It was dogshit

The first three were very good games tho

*WAS* not too bad now

Mass Effect 2 was the best imo

I've heard great things

@ZODD infinite porn?

ur right

infinite N U T

Already have that

i watched zeitgeist , but honestly , even after watching it, it didn't impact my life much

Did you watch all 3?

but yeah, its definitely a good watch for the common folk

i didn't watch all 3 i think i only watched 1 , and half of two

The third one and the second one are better than the first Zeitgeist imo

Chicken sandwich

Watch the third one, its probably the best, but the second one tells you how shitty capitalism is and how it screws people over

Where'd that come from?

who here smokes that weed to cope

Zeitgeist...

Nope

"Muh capitalism" lmao

muh bacon tho<:bacon:472133842342379561> 🥓

I don't do drugs. I'm borderline sXe

Drugs affects people differently ,

Some happy, others insane. Sometimes both

so how does life be for y'all

Same old

sounds pretty boring

@Oniichan Of The West I'm trying not fell in the communist fever

@Seven Of Swords , Have you ever wanted to Pursue Drugs that are recreational but aren't mainstream?

don't fall

the canser is too much there

Exactly

But.... The temptation is huge

Capitalism suck, Communism sucks. What’s the best government?

you want the cancer?

dude, its people

people suck, so government will suck.

Yep. Pretty much

What i don't like about the capitalist system is that it causes and or aids the spread of stupidity

@Oniichan Of The West peharps.... Peharps I could use their invitation to infiltrate the commies ranks....

And robots running everything wouldn’t help anyway, because they’re programmed by people

But Also drives technological achivement

<:151:480186113990852608> a spy...

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Capitalism gives people a false hope of advancement, at least

And then, I would contaminated them with keynesian knowledge!

You know how communist infiltrates capitalism and spreads communism, do the same thing and spread capitalism

That will be fun

Doesn’t work

oh yeah, governments in fll control

Communism is what happens when a Capitalistic government begins to favor its own people over the general population

Welp it is a shame...democratic socialism<:151:480186113990852608> , another collapse

They start to plot and lie, making everyone equally shit, and pouring all the resources to their buddies up top

It’s the circle of life!

yup

free market, then mixed market, then planned market, collapse, and back to free market

I think we were more advanced in the past, and we are actually in the latest cycle of this collapse

I don’t think we were hunter gatherers for 10000 years, and suddenly grew brains and built civilizations

I think we kept building up and crashing down

@Oniichan Of The West China has a pseudo-Capitalistic economy now

I know, finally

Its about time

So your idea of injecting capitalism into communism Happens, sometimes

When people begin suffering and realizing how shit it is

Government’s still practically communist, though

I think they still massacre local religious groups like good little commies

#Buddistsdidnothingwrong

good little commies<:151:480186113990852608>

i smoke a huge amount of weed

shoutout to Undead Chronic

we get it

Nothing’s as red as bloodshed!

You have to prove your communism somehow i guess

lol chill i said too lines about it