For all that seek pleasure, could seek pain.

if its not worth Seeking, What is the Equivalent of pleasure Worth seeking in your value?

So does Pain Feel Good?

Its weird... the line between pleasure and pain becomes blurred.

Some people need to feel humiliated in order to achieve orgasm.

LOL, have you ever touched something hot and cold on metal, it gives you pain and relief at the same time, exactly what your talking about

Or if you have a sex fetish where you like you like to have your head squeezed by a woman's thighs because it makes you hard.

See this why I have focused most attention and support with the MGTOW community. They are more focused and more organized than nihilism and they seem to be only ones that will actually call out misandry and injustice indiscriminately, not just from feminists. Tell me what faction that is not a pro-feminist sanctuary will criticize traditionalists, particularly female ones?

It's just impossible for nihilism to do anything like that. Everyone is on their own - a free-for-all environment. No true allies.

Though, I've longed given up hope in allegiances and often fought my battles single-handedly.

I think that you may be arguing too strongly lol

... dude this is a general discord. anything goes man. HAHA

But I do still analyze and salvage info from all of these other movements.

Perhaps MGTOW, MRA and anything else thought of in the 2000+ years is simply not good enough.

MRM, not MRA.

And I am just saying in general my two-cents about nihilism and it's cons.

Perhaps we need simply newer and more radical ideas that can achieve what people want without the pitfalls of what has previously been theorized.

It's far from perfect, but it is necessary for me.

@Seven Of Swords , Pleasure is not just about sexual arousal pleasure tho. you could get pleasure from eating ice cream too

Perhaps the idea that things are necessary is yet another pitfall.

@ZODD But what about ice cream headaches?

i don't get those...

Well I do...

Air is necessary. You need that to breath. Would you rather stop breathing and drop dead?

They hurt like hell, but ice cream tastes very good

Exactly.

air's not a pleasure it's more innate

Clean air is a pleasure

@Iheanacho Just because you can die, it doesn't follow that it is necessary that you must live...

You really don't have to breath air...

As long as there is way for it to be possible that necessary circumstances can be different, its not the case that they are necessary.

And see, that is my problem with neutral nihilism. Too questionable and trivial. Progressive route is more focused. People there got their shite together and just stick to it.

Is it that they have their shit together, or just put up the illusion that they do?

One has to control all of these trivialities and focused mind.

How does that happen?

Through progression. Bite the bullet and take measures to benefit your own future. Oxygen is too obvious. Don't neglect it if you wish to live. I still want to live as I want to achieve my goals and maintain them.

Collect thoughts, define goals, and pursue them. Everything else shall resolve itself upon that path.

What if you prefer not to live, yet you don't want to die either?

The ol' classic trivial mind fuck.

To me, it sounds like you've been listening to too much Jordan Peterson lmao

I dislike Jordan Peterson.

Then why support is self-help nonsense about attempting to build a foundation for goals based upon nothing?