Message from @Sam Southern - TN
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Tensions are high and we all have strong thoughts on the matter
But
Speak up son
We are all together in this.
We aren’t ignoring it, Patrick addressed it on Twitter during the trial and stated that legally, it’s a bad idea for us to do or say much about it
What happened to Fields was regrettable but the leadership are handling it in the best they can with the org being entangled in a lawsuit as well.
Everybody, nobody in particular.
I don’t see much good faith.
Just so we're clear the standard of guilt is 'beyound a reasonable doubt', and the evidence ive seen couldnt even begin to convince any reasonable trier of fact of the necessary element of express malice, not even 'clear and convincing' which is the next level at 90%. You could even say 'I think there's an 80% chance he's guilty' and that would not be enough to convict.
Tbh I really don't see what there is to fight about here.
PS I love you all regardless
@missliterallywho attitudes
Well said @TylerHess
@DairyMaxx but like, why have an attitude
@missliterallywho can't not
If anybody in IE got into a situation like Fields, I believe virtually everybody would exercise enough self control, not to plow into a crowd of bystanders because they feared for their lives. James Fields is not the hill we should choose to die on.
A good statement made 2 days ago. Given the verdict of the trial, we might want to make another one (as we all know, no one is going to scroll down that far for it)
https://twitter.com/PatrickCaseyIE/status/1070558720277536773
@DairyMaxx I mean an *"attitude"*, like a bratty teen girl
Virgil it is so easy to say when you were not in that car with mobs around you.
Alone
What was the name of the guy who died in the LA riots? Dragged from his car and beaten?
Reginald Denny?
@Flint It's not a good idea for us to comment on it publicly for our case, and it won't make a difference in particular.
In this case I think I can speak for "leadership" and say that we simply accepted from the beginning that a conviction was likely and prepared ourselves accordingly.
Things could get a lot worse and the answer here is to respond with an unprecedented level of organization. The military has a slogan: "Embrace the suck" and the alt right had "Surf the Kali Yuga."
Obviously, there's no harm in some necessary decompression, but I hope my announcement can remind people to reorient quickly.
He didn't die.
But he was beaten brutally.
*nearly died
Pardon me
nods 😃
Reginald Denny survived by the grace of God, he had bricks thrown at his unconscious head
@BryceB-ND Self control is key, this is a dissident political organization/movement if we don't exercise masterful self control, then situations like this are going to keep happening. We shouldn't make excuses for a lack of it.
It is disturbing if the precedent is now that white guys like Denny have to accept being beaten
Were you there with black people following you with baseball bats?
Serious
>Blaming the victim, tbh.
They had no right to be in the street, to be there during a state of emergency, and to violently disrupt a lawful gathering
@Virgil that sounds well and good but I'd still bet 1/2 this organization would plow through that crowd.
@Matthias Basically, ya. After experiencing just how rigged C'ville's system was against us, I felt it was just better to assume the worst for JAF, and then I'd feel no level of disappointment because I was prepared mentally for it. Now that it's done, I'm accepting of it and know the best thing to do is to look forward.
I believe you might have great discipline
But to assume you would have acted with military style calmness is not an attribute I assume most have
I do believe had Fields not made the regrettable decision to drive through the crowd he would have suffered the even more regrettable fate of being dragged from his car and beaten within an inch of his life.
I was there too, not that it matters.
Especially not some ditzy 20 year old kid