Us Marshall's are scouting around and a firefight breaks out between the parties. Okay. Sammy is dead, we have a dead Marshall. Weaver gets on the old Facebook and sends out a plea for assistance as his son is now dead and the US Marshall's are on his doorstep to take his guns. 

Marshall's being more privy to social media now get the press going asap. Weaver has a failure to appear in court for a felonious activity and is now his party is attacking us law enforcement and we have one casualty (its unclear if they know if the boy is dead or not, but they are going to leave out the part where they shot a 14 year old boy). 

We now have two conflicting sides of the same story that both have truth to the situation. Do we roll because someone broke an unconstitutional law? Do we sit back because we have a dead LEO and tell weaver to surrender and get a lawyer? What if telling Weaver we had a qrf inbound (but didn't actually have one) emboldened him and then he lead a charge against the us Marshall's that killed his son?

Now we have a level "5" that has deesclated down to a "4" or whatever numbering convention you want to use. It's no longer an active firefight, it's now a standoff. 

Do we send in boys? Do we hold off because we dont want anyone to be hurt? 

Day 2 of the standoff we now have a dead wife and an injured weaver. Do we still sit back? Do we send a response team? We know at this point LEO are dug in well enough to get snipers in position and that perimeter is so large no boys are getting in without a firefight. Tell Weaver to let a legal battle occur?

So now protestors are pouring in. Its important to remember weaver did arms work for some neonazis at this point. Well now he have literal neonazis (man the early 90s were weird) at the lines protesting. How would it look if we had bois in Hawaiian print and gear next to neonazis? That's not good optics for media presentation huh? Do we pull out our boys removing a hypothetical fighting force (that would now be trying to penetrate an leo set barricade if the situation called for lethal force) for optics sake. Or would it be better to stand with Weaver? As his connections with these groups start to expound and come out more do we abandon it? That would make it look like any good smear campaign would be enough to make us disengage from the situation, afraid to be associated with certain groups (which wouldn't be wrong). 

I strongly feel these are issues that have to be hammered out through thought experiments and hypotheticals so we can truly build an operations plan that is a consistent methodology and everyone knows what to expect and how to react. 

To further add to my book I've authored, maybe we need to split in to Intel teams. Have one group monitoring media information. One group talking directly to the person/people/group in trouble. A liaison from each come together and discuss what's found, information gets relayed and then both sides make an independent judgement call on how serious of a threat and what to do and then the liaisons discuss between them. Then a decision is called. Decision with all applicable Intel is relayed to those in the area and a rally point established. Of course this is only one solution to it, and may not even be the best solution. Again, an honest conversation needs to be had about it.

But what I can tell you is 6-8 hours stuck at step 1 is not going to cut it. It's not effective. For any judgement call to be effective, we need a system in place that can have a judgement call in 30 mins to an hour. I said before, I'll say again, the police rarely go in half-cocked. They know their threat, they are there to execute their mission and its planned to a T. Us scrambling to figure something out on the fly is not an efficient method of handling any situation.

@Abe Clark I misspelled bog at one point and I couldn't figure out where I messed up Haha

I should add I'm not attempting to bash anyone. I wasnt in the position to make the call, I wasnt in position to be there myself. All I'm saying is I see the need to streamline the efficiency and even engage in thought experiments like the ones above (a sort of war games if you will) to hammer out a methodology of response

> How would it look if we had bois in Hawaiian print and gear next to neonazis? That's not good optics for media presentation huh? Do we pull out our boys removing a hypothetical fighting force (that would now be trying to penetrate an leo set barricade if the situation called for lethal force) for optics sake. Or would it be better to stand with Weaver? As his connections with these groups start to expound and come out more do we abandon it? That would make it look like any good smear campaign would be enough to make us disengage from the situation, afraid to be associated with certain groups (which wouldn't be wrong). 

@Killgore I like your way of thinking but in that situation I would stand with Weaver next to anyone, regardless of ideology. Imo in a situation like that optics and presentation come second.

@Reno we are all individuals attempting to come together for a common goal. I wasnt trying to say anything was right or anything waswrong. But without sitting down, discussing and truly hammering these details out, how are we supposed to act as a coherent unit.

Good thought. Some brainstorming is needed for sure.

Information workflow of ops server. Any suggestions, questions, or members interested in helping my set this up?

I like it

Give me a little bit to read and comprehend that lol, I’m at work right now Killgore

Now we know what’s up with the guy Chevy met a month ago and why the feds want to talk to him

Was this the bois in colorado with chevy?

Yes, the friend of his who got picked up

Anti-government militia huh 🤔

Smear campaign bro

@[MS] Foxtrot795 this is the kind of lazy, taken from the authorities mouths only reporting that we need to fight against. They dont even use the old "allegedly" anymore. Its just all reported as facts. 😠

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=Zk11vI-7czE&feature=emb_logo A really interesting video on how "green energy" was marketed to sell products that don't truly work

Anyone have any news on the Gallup New Mexico situation

Missouri drop. Snitches get [d]itches.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gpeugjvtixpy888/RequestedEmails%20%281%29.pdf?dl=0

https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2020/05/03/new-mexicos-governor-extends-lockdown-of-states-hardest-hit-virus-city/

> Give me a little bit to read and comprehend that lol, I’m at work right now Killgore
@Abe Clark Information Flow process from inputs to the Intel cell to outputs

22000 people in lock down and no one inside the town is streaming??? No inside media coverage, even if fake media?

I don't have Facebook, but there could be inside info gleaned there.

@Hopefully Heroic no streaming because they're sheep in their homes. And what would they film? They won't get anywhere near any sort of activities. As for the media, they don't cover anything that doesn't fit the narrative of "this is all going great except for those few insane people whining about rights"

I did a quick search of something I heard mentioned.

I thought that was kinda given. Anywho, any plans or information on response to this Odessa bullshit? Posting up en masse in the areas, or just relying on lawyers to do lawyer things and continue to not getting anything done for another century.. Sad times.

Maybe this is gonna come off as extreme but isn't the point of running armed security in decent numbers to be able to defend yourselves against violence from the police, such as being arrested?

They brought out the heat. 30 guys MRAP

Oh 30

The crew should have had higher numbers

Was the crew even armed?

Yeah some

Or was it just a group of guys having a good time

Of course they're going to bring enough people to outmatch their opponents. I forgot the number but i think it's something like 3 times

When I say armed, I mean, aside from CCW.

Rifles and PCs