!agree

!gamer

Uk gave up guns and now has no free speach. dont go the way we did

Whats JBP wrong about? actually curious

Jesus Smuggling?

sorry, that was @Stefan Payne

Y'know, Sam Harris is the most religious person in the Pangbourne debates

his religion is Atheism. He is more evanjelical than the Mormons

@Gary Payton Tribute Account no weapons to protect free speech then they take free speech. its almost like it's a pattern....

used to be

now not so much

literally the least of the UK's problems

you know most people in the UK are middle class now?

even the Guardian reported that. We tipped over in 2000

the issue with class is wage stagnation and that is caused by over supply of labour force.

simple supply and demand economics.

Well, I refer peoples to JBP. you may say you are not religious but I'd wager you live your live pretty closely to a religious ideal. actions do speak louder than words.

I used to think women should get to decide until my GF (years ago now) got pregnant. I was extaticly happy she thought it would cramp her social life so terminated it without my consent. Legally I had no rway to stop it. I offered to pay her to have the child and let me have it but she didn't want to so now I don't think women have that right. it took 2 to create it takes 2 to decide. thats equality

umm, if you live in a western country the values came from Judeo-Christianity.

personally I think mankind has a God shaped hole in our heart. not advocating existance of God here.
If we don't fill it with something good it will be filled by other things like feminism or the worship of the state

The basis of human life being sacred is again Judeo-Christian. A spark of the Divine in all of us so to slay a man is to commit deicide

nah it evolved over a long time. the final human sacrifice was codified as Christ so no one else would need to make that 'physical' sacrifice

Sam Harris has his own Value system he wants to impliment and lets assume its a great system.
He wants to tear down all religion (much like certain religions do to other faiths) regardless of its intrinsic value to society

Baby and bathwater spring to mind

@grant I think you are spot on there

This is why the Individual is the only minority that matters

@grant in an ideal world sure however humanity isnt inherently good.

well, thats the great left/right divide. the left tends to act as if mankind is inherently good and the right acts as if the natural man is an enemy of god (yes, I just Jesus smuggled 😛 )

I like Yaron but I think he has to much faith (and I really mean faith) in capitolism and people.

Murray is my other gay crush, after Ryan Reynolds ofc

@grant again you are spot on there mate
@NativeInterface it breaks my heart that so much bad is done with good intentions

❤

@grant have you read the Screwtape letters by Lewis?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Screwtape-Letters-C-S-LEWIS-ebook/dp/B079XX8352/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538334226&sr=8-1&keywords=the+screwtape+letters

hahaha ace!

my mum introduced me to it and its exceptional

basically one of Satans devils writing to his nephew, an up and coming tempter

@Jasse you sir are also completly correct and I meant that stuff too

Hitler convinced the Germans his plans were 'good'

@xorgy the solution is a middleground. no 2nd or 3rd Trimester abortions. its not perfect and I'm (now) anti abortionbut thats at least something

@Gary Payton Tribute Account yeah man, its a myth that the middle class is dieing here, just stagnating. and it isnt a lack of high paying jobs its an over supply of aplicants keeping the wages down

This is why Brexit is actually better for poor people. less competition for jobs while lowering the cost of food, footwear and clothing which the working class spends the vast majority of their income on

its kinda even on most middle class and bad for upper middle and upper class

Communism didnt do away with religion, it replaced the church with the state as the new 'God'

@NativeInterface they are known as useful idiots

@grant its easy to justify murdering people when you only care about the whole not the component people of the state

@NativeInterface statistically speaking the double nuke was the option leading to the least loss of life. And it wasn't America's job to ensure their enemies lived, only that they (and their allies) survived. a governments job is to protect it's people

I didnt say it was moraly right

thats a tough one

again because the National Socialist workers party didnt care about individuals only the state

I also did not mean to imply it was excusable

public education in the UK is just indoctrination now

@grant true that

'member Nazi's were Fashists, a sub set of Socialist

it was never a left/right divide

@Bones true that

@grant 6 year olds being indoctrinated into the LGBT(ect) mindset - and here they can take your child away if you don't think the kid is trans

you the parent that is

so even if your opinion is wait untilk they are an adult (18) or until their prefrontal cortex is developed (25) thats child abuse

and we dont have a 1st or 2nd amendment

@Jasse I have to ask is that you trolling?

if not this should be moved to 'Fake News' 😛

the taxpayer does

without the choice

even if you get private medical you must still pay the state for healthcare by law

Same as the BBC, you must pay for it as its a Tax called a TV licence

smaller government = more individual freedom unless you completly remove the state

because then another state will just conquer you

or force you to join the EU 😛

@Jasse that bits correct however the invasion of Poland by the Germans had far more to do with WW2 than banking did

That and The EU army terrifys me. It would only be effective against its own member states

@Jasse Bones is right on that

it was only the Allies 'war aversion' due to WW1 that let them get as far as they did before war was declared. that and our Lefty PM at the time wanted to capitulate to Hitler

Churchill FTW

thank (insert diety here) that Churchill took over the UK

terrible peacetime PM but amazing wartime PM

@grant yeah once the government gets into healthcare they start to hold 'death councils' they are not called that but its where they decide who does and doesnt get treatment based on cost ect

think of all the horror stories of insurance companies looking for reasons not to pay out. now take it back a step to whether you get treatment or not

ooo whats the MIC?

Ahh, well I think individuals do that. i.e. senators or MP's that have shares in certain companies are more pro war because of proffit but I don't beleive its a far reaching conspiracy. but I used to beleive the MSM so anythings possible

As Tim's video shows, capitolism has been the single greatest force in removing poverty so I dont think that

@Jasse makes a good point there though. all the EU governments are desperate for that sweet cheap labour

importing the migrants like there is a sale on

its accurate to within a couple of % points

In our home countries no I dont think so, thats the perato principal in effect

damn my spelling is trash today

there is no over population problem in the western world. the birthrate for a stable country is 2.1 children per women, in the west its currently 1.6 per woman. And that includes the Mormans and catholics 😃

its importing people in unsustainable numbers that is straining our countries.

@Bones do you know the Perato principal?

*checks spelling* yeah that one

ahh cool

I do think some *individuals* are trying to create an underclass

yeah we align on that ^^

its easy to blame X group for stuff. its the Jews/Christians/Atheists/Capitolists/MIC/Deep state

although the deep state is just your civil servants no?

@xorgy I find it comes down to when is the baby a human life. if its at conception all abortion is murder, if its at birth then no abortion is murder ect. And I hate that solution personally however in some states of America you can abort up to 9 months which (personally) I think is barbaric

fair mate. I never did until it affected me personally suddenly you find the energy when you are the parent (to be.)

hahahahaha

you know, if this conversation was on Twitter I'd have been arrested by now