Jasse, do you also believe in the MIC?

ooo whats the MIC?

MIC?

military industrial complex i.e. that the reason many countries continue to war is because the industries that profit to war profit from war and therefore lobby and mingle in international affairs in order to perpetuate wars

poorly worded

The idea that companies that profit from war (arms manufacturers, PMC etc) perpetuate war in order to keep profiting

yes. military industrial complex is real.

Ahh, well I think individuals do that. i.e. senators or MP's that have shares in certain companies are more pro war because of proffit but I don't beleive its a far reaching conspiracy. but I used to beleive the MSM so anythings possible

Ok, do you believe that capitalist societies purposely create an underclass so that the elite can profit from cheap labor?

look china and africa. there is your chep labour.

As Tim's video shows, capitolism has been the single greatest force in removing poverty so I dont think that

@Jasse makes a good point there though. all the EU governments are desperate for that sweet cheap labour

importing the migrants like there is a sale on

I've actually seen it argued that those statistics are misleading and that if you remove China then the outcome isn't as good but I haven't actually looked into that ymself

I think people mistaken being involved in a lot of conflict as secretly starting them. People forget that war is more normal in human history than people think.

its accurate to within a couple of % points

The MIC does incentivize us to be involved in thing we shouldn't.

war is always by the deception

But @grant I'm not asking if capitalists take advantage of cheap labor where it exists like India/China/Etc, I'm asking if you think capitalist societies purposely create such an underclass including in our home countries

sorry no grant

In our home countries no I dont think so, thats the perato principal in effect

damn my spelling is trash today

Ok, allow me to use this as an example

No, again history shows us that there has always been an underclass.

Claims like that sound like all these places were great than capitalism came in and made underclasses

Same with MIC was no one warring than the MIC came about

The idea that capitalists purposely create an underclass is at least possible, in theory, and would explain parts of why "this is the way this is" like why poverty is the way it is, why we have large income inequality, etc. That doesn't mean it's necessarily true. This same concept applies likewise to other concepts like the MIC or the theory that WWII started because Germany was trying to betray the IBS. Could you come up with a narrative that makes sense? Sure. Does that mean it's true? Not necessarily. Does that mean it's false? Not necessarily either.

@Bones do you know the Perato principal?

Do you mean pareto?

*checks spelling* yeah that one

Yes I know about the pareto principle. To clarify, I personally don't believe that capitalist societies are creating an underclass. I'm using that example to demonstrate a point that just because a narrative could make sense when you accept certain axioms doesn't mean that narrative is true.

ahh cool

Purposefully creating an underclass*

I do think some *individuals* are trying to create an underclass

Sure. There are always bad actors and I think that's the case with the MIC too. I just don't think it's a pervasive grand conspiracy.

yeah we align on that ^^

I can agree with that

Sadly I think War and classes are human nature so they're not going away any time soon.

its easy to blame X group for stuff. its the Jews/Christians/Atheists/Capitolists/MIC/Deep state

jews/capitalist/MIC/deep state
are all one same actor

although the deep state is just your civil servants no?