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@grant have you read the Screwtape letters by Lewis?

No, I have to admit I got that quote from playing Tropico.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Screwtape-Letters-C-S-LEWIS-ebook/dp/B079XX8352/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538334226&sr=8-1&keywords=the+screwtape+letters

hahaha ace!

my mum introduced me to it and its exceptional

basically one of Satans devils writing to his nephew, an up and coming tempter

` it breaks my heart that so much bad is done with good intentions`
so much bad is disguised to sound to be "with good intentions"

@Jasse you sir are also completly correct and I meant that stuff too

Hitler convinced the Germans his plans were 'good'

it's disguised to trick people into supporting it, which means there are true believers with good intentions

jews convinced people his intentions were bad.

That's why that C.S. Lewis quote is so good. People keep saying all the communist governements were corrupt. I think its the opposite, and the more they believed it the more they could justify killing people. After all Communism is sort of Utilitarian , and they did away with any religion that might tell them the individual is worth something and killing is wrong.

hitler did nothing wrong.
*exept lose war*

lol communism is litterally jewsih and killed tens of milions.

Communism didnt do away with religion, it replaced the church with the state as the new 'God'

@NativeInterface they are known as useful idiots

hitler didnt do much wrong according to regular statist standards
double nuking japan and agent orange and forced sterilizations and inhumane medical experiments and depleted uranium is just normal things that a lot of statists defend tirelessly to this day

@Jes Well that just goes back to your point about people having a hole in them that religion tends to fill. I think we are seeing today that even in cases where communism isn't cramed into that hole people grab it and put it in there anyway.

@grant its easy to justify murdering people when you only care about the whole not the component people of the state

@NativeInterface statistically speaking the double nuke was the option leading to the least loss of life. And it wasn't America's job to ensure their enemies lived, only that they (and their allies) survived. a governments job is to protect it's people

@Jes Yeah, I think that shows also that Judea-Christian value play a part in making sure we don't do that and that its not in our nature.

yeah see what i mean

heck i had an argument with a close friend about if torture is bad or not

I didnt say it was moraly right

thats a tough one

so yeah if all thats excusable than why not hitler

yeah fire bombing and nuking japan...

he's pretty mainstream really

again because the National Socialist workers party didnt care about individuals only the state

I also did not mean to imply it was excusable

i think public education plays a big role in causing that

maybe the biggest

public education in the UK is just indoctrination now

Nazis and Communist just disagree on which type of collectivization is best.

@grant true that

'member Nazi's were Fashists, a sub set of Socialist

I won't comment on the other things because I agree they're outright wrong but why bring up the nukes in Japan? Drawing a parallel between the nukes and Nazi germany would have a point if you're only talking in terms of mass murder but actions don't happen in a bubble. Dropping nukes on Japan to end the war is obviously more justifiable than rounding up millions of Jews for a mass genocide unless you accept the premise that Jews did something to deserve negative treatment

it was never a left/right divide

yeah exploiting whole nation like commies
or good for whole collective like national socialims.

What's going on in school in the UK?