Message from @Jes
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it actually bothers me more that people with actual good intentions are ruining the world
it doesnt matter how good your intentions are if your ideas are shit
@grant again you are spot on there mate
@NativeInterface it breaks my heart that so much bad is done with good intentions
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
― C.S. Lewis
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No, I have to admit I got that quote from playing Tropico.
hahaha ace!
my mum introduced me to it and its exceptional
basically one of Satans devils writing to his nephew, an up and coming tempter
` it breaks my heart that so much bad is done with good intentions`
so much bad is disguised to sound to be "with good intentions"
Hitler convinced the Germans his plans were 'good'
it's disguised to trick people into supporting it, which means there are true believers with good intentions
jews convinced people his intentions were bad.
That's why that C.S. Lewis quote is so good. People keep saying all the communist governements were corrupt. I think its the opposite, and the more they believed it the more they could justify killing people. After all Communism is sort of Utilitarian , and they did away with any religion that might tell them the individual is worth something and killing is wrong.
hitler did nothing wrong.
*exept lose war*
lol communism is litterally jewsih and killed tens of milions.
Communism didnt do away with religion, it replaced the church with the state as the new 'God'
hitler didnt do much wrong according to regular statist standards
double nuking japan and agent orange and forced sterilizations and inhumane medical experiments and depleted uranium is just normal things that a lot of statists defend tirelessly to this day
@Jes Well that just goes back to your point about people having a hole in them that religion tends to fill. I think we are seeing today that even in cases where communism isn't cramed into that hole people grab it and put it in there anyway.
@grant its easy to justify murdering people when you only care about the whole not the component people of the state
@NativeInterface statistically speaking the double nuke was the option leading to the least loss of life. And it wasn't America's job to ensure their enemies lived, only that they (and their allies) survived. a governments job is to protect it's people
@Jes Yeah, I think that shows also that Judea-Christian value play a part in making sure we don't do that and that its not in our nature.
yeah see what i mean
heck i had an argument with a close friend about if torture is bad or not
I didnt say it was moraly right
thats a tough one
so yeah if all thats excusable than why not hitler
yeah fire bombing and nuking japan...
he's pretty mainstream really
again because the National Socialist workers party didnt care about individuals only the state
I also did not mean to imply it was excusable
i think public education plays a big role in causing that
maybe the biggest
public education in the UK is just indoctrination now
Nazis and Communist just disagree on which type of collectivization is best.
'member Nazi's were Fashists, a sub set of Socialist