So when I try to explain to her that not every pro-life person is "just anti-abortion", or in it to control _her_, she gets very defensive.

Because to her it is personal.

Oh, your mother lol

Yeah, I pussyfooted around, but it's hard to hide.

compare it to safe injection sites?

Well, I'm sure she could

But I think her political agreement with that narrative is contingent on her personal issues with her mother.

That is, if one went, then she probably wouldn't insist on adopting the whole narrative.

She might have a more healthy state of mind.

That's just my impression of course, maybe I'm wrong and I'm just so blind that I can't see the obvious.

I am, after all, just a young lad.

if I may? I feel like i'm interupting

Sure.

i think being able to make your own descision is important and is obviously to this girl too. but the problem with pro-choice nowadays is that it enables people to act irresponsibly, which doesn't perpetuate good values in the long run. if you want to make your own choice about life, it's because you want to be responsible, right? it's the state-funded, anonymous walk-in clinics that are damaging. you don't talk to your familly doctor lightly about abortion.. even the morning after pill is not something to be taken lightly

And I think she would tend to agree with that, if left to her own devices.

forcing pro life is a bit too far for people nowadays. responsibilty isn't free, it requires us to act like adults

there is also the issue of some people being not pro-choise but outright pro-abortion

but in the presence of the heathering mother figure she has barely escaped, and the attractive political narrative to tell her that _she's right and everyone else is not just wrong, but so wrong you shouldn't even consider their stated motivations honest_, it is impossible for her to see why some people may consider infanticide to cover foetuses of a certain age.

the pro-abortion people are the sick ones, in my view.

It is a message which is clearly similar to being pro-murder

I used to think women should get to decide until my GF (years ago now) got pregnant. I was extaticly happy she thought it would cramp her social life so terminated it without my consent. Legally I had no rway to stop it. I offered to pay her to have the child and let me have it but she didn't want to so now I don't think women have that right. it took 2 to create it takes 2 to decide. thats equality

even if most abortion is not like murder in any way, if you ask the person pulling the trigger.

Ultimately, the state of mind of the perpetrator is the moral purpose of a legal penalty for murder.

Murderers are dangerous, so a system which permits murderous intent to go unnoticed is dangerous, in my view.

If people are having abortions _with murderous intent_, then that is a matter of great concern to society.

lol. i never heard that before 😂

Well, that's kinda what's going on in some of these "pro-abortion" people's minds.

Killing foetuses because they feel like it, or because it's cool, or as a matter of convenience.

I think that's kinda sick, but ultimately I'm not sure what should be done about it.

I don't know if it will ever get way out of hand.

``` I think that's kinda sick, but ultimately I'm not sure what should be done about it. ```
make babies

I know that from the cultural perspective, I can say something about encouraging that kind of thoughtless intentional killing.

But the state can not really establish intent like that.

Yeah, I intend to make babies.

and get a lawyer first 😂

Erh, at least to help.

make her sign a contract that if she has a baby, it's half yours

Thought they called that marriage.

noupe

whoopse.

sorry frenn