Message from @Jes

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2018-09-30 19:16:39 UTC  

hitler did nothing wrong.
*exept lose war*

2018-09-30 19:17:29 UTC  

lol communism is litterally jewsih and killed tens of milions.

2018-09-30 19:19:49 UTC  

Communism didnt do away with religion, it replaced the church with the state as the new 'God'

2018-09-30 19:20:38 UTC  

@NativeInterface they are known as useful idiots

2018-09-30 19:21:14 UTC  

hitler didnt do much wrong according to regular statist standards
double nuking japan and agent orange and forced sterilizations and inhumane medical experiments and depleted uranium is just normal things that a lot of statists defend tirelessly to this day

2018-09-30 19:21:26 UTC  

@Jes Well that just goes back to your point about people having a hole in them that religion tends to fill. I think we are seeing today that even in cases where communism isn't cramed into that hole people grab it and put it in there anyway.

2018-09-30 19:21:33 UTC  

@grant its easy to justify murdering people when you only care about the whole not the component people of the state

2018-09-30 19:23:19 UTC  

@NativeInterface statistically speaking the double nuke was the option leading to the least loss of life. And it wasn't America's job to ensure their enemies lived, only that they (and their allies) survived. a governments job is to protect it's people

2018-09-30 19:23:22 UTC  

@Jes Yeah, I think that shows also that Judea-Christian value play a part in making sure we don't do that and that its not in our nature.

2018-09-30 19:23:45 UTC  

yeah see what i mean

2018-09-30 19:23:57 UTC  

heck i had an argument with a close friend about if torture is bad or not

2018-09-30 19:23:59 UTC  

I didnt say it was moraly right

2018-09-30 19:24:14 UTC  

thats a tough one

2018-09-30 19:24:32 UTC  

so yeah if all thats excusable than why not hitler

2018-09-30 19:24:46 UTC  

yeah fire bombing and nuking japan...

2018-09-30 19:24:48 UTC  

he's pretty mainstream really

2018-09-30 19:25:15 UTC  

again because the National Socialist workers party didnt care about individuals only the state

2018-09-30 19:25:38 UTC  

I also did not mean to imply it was excusable

2018-09-30 19:27:05 UTC  

i think public education plays a big role in causing that

2018-09-30 19:27:19 UTC  

maybe the biggest

2018-09-30 19:27:24 UTC  

public education in the UK is just indoctrination now

2018-09-30 19:27:35 UTC  

Nazis and Communist just disagree on which type of collectivization is best.

2018-09-30 19:27:49 UTC  

@grant true that

2018-09-30 19:28:14 UTC  

'member Nazi's were Fashists, a sub set of Socialist

2018-09-30 19:28:25 UTC  

I won't comment on the other things because I agree they're outright wrong but why bring up the nukes in Japan? Drawing a parallel between the nukes and Nazi germany would have a point if you're only talking in terms of mass murder but actions don't happen in a bubble. Dropping nukes on Japan to end the war is obviously more justifiable than rounding up millions of Jews for a mass genocide unless you accept the premise that Jews did something to deserve negative treatment

2018-09-30 19:28:33 UTC  

it was never a left/right divide

2018-09-30 19:28:34 UTC  

yeah exploiting whole nation like commies
or good for whole collective like national socialims.

2018-09-30 19:28:55 UTC  

What's going on in school in the UK?

2018-09-30 19:28:58 UTC  

@Bones true that

2018-09-30 19:29:07 UTC  

i think a lot of people today miss the historical point that germans were just educated into being nazis, they were normies in that society

2018-09-30 19:30:12 UTC  

just painting them as the bad guys is a big disservice to the lessons of history and keeps people ignorant

2018-09-30 19:30:29 UTC  

WW2 didn't happen in a vacuum either. The war wasn't started over Jews. Many German felt wronged over WW1 and felt they were reclaiming what was rightfully theirs (from the Allies).

2018-09-30 19:30:46 UTC  

@grant 6 year olds being indoctrinated into the LGBT(ect) mindset - and here they can take your child away if you don't think the kid is trans

2018-09-30 19:30:59 UTC  

you the parent that is

2018-09-30 19:31:40 UTC  

so even if your opinion is wait untilk they are an adult (18) or until their prefrontal cortex is developed (25) thats child abuse

2018-09-30 19:32:22 UTC  

and we dont have a 1st or 2nd amendment

2018-09-30 19:32:40 UTC  

The war wasn't started over Jews but if we're talking about statism and the state exercising its monopoly on violence and "how can you justify one type of state violence over another" then yes, bringing up the Nazis and the Jews is a perfectly valid point.

2018-09-30 19:32:53 UTC  

WW2 was brought against germany because germany escaped international banking system.(jewish banking system)

2018-09-30 19:33:18 UTC  

@Jasse I have to ask is that you trolling?

2018-09-30 19:33:59 UTC  

@Jes Does the government pay for sex change stuff of the minor in the UK?

2018-09-30 19:34:21 UTC  

if not this should be moved to 'Fake News' 😛