hi im new where do i get my free copy of Das Kapital

But lefties are supposed to be soft and cuddly snowflakes why should i run

thats what fox news told me

of course they also tell me they are violent street thugs that throw things at the poor frog people

i'm fine with autism

and you're gonna have to define leftist in this context for me

sounds like the goddamn L I B E R A L S took over

;_;

It's like it's the late 20s germany but on the internet

gangs of internet cybercriminals having fistfights in the streets(or tubes for the experts) of the interwebs

so where on the spectrum would you put yourself

not the autism one

well don't take it personally but i really don't understand how anyone can think libertarianism is a good way to structure society

like people accuse socialism of "being against human nature" and "it just doesn't work"

but oh boy does that apply to libertarianism instead, so much

so what then, actually more of a liberal/libertarian hybrid?

what would even be the difference there

in the end

its weird, can't really put libertarianism left of liberal but not really right of it either

it sort of forks away it seems

so that's basically the neocon status quo

so how would your libertarian structure avoid authoritarianism to enforce the regulations neccessary?

yeah i suppose the neocon state of affairs has slipped pretty deep down that rabbit hole in the past decade or two

something that is really concerning to me actually

but then you're basically saying that all that your libertarian state would have to rely on principle alone to avoid that kind of stuff?

i mean the world surrounding you will eventually force your hand in that regard in my opinion

yeah i understand that but just going from the basics of small government but all the neccessary bells and whistles of modern global capitalism, with an ideological commitment to personal rights and stuff, is that about accurate?

i mean libertarianism places a deep focus on individual rights, more so than traditional conservaties, so i assumed that's where you split with them?

lol anyone in their right mind should

i'd say libertarian economics are like lighting the fuse of the bomb we're all sitting on called capitalism

State intervention has always been the most powerful tool in preserving the capitalist status quo

I'd dispute that highly, it seems that the nations with a larger and well balance state control of important economic and social issues seem to be doing the best under globalism so far

While the land of deregulation USA is heating up to a point of crisis

Corporations have amassed so much power there

and it's creating huge social issues

and economic ones, when the next crash inevitably happens

What is the reason for it in your opinion?

Which was caused by... not enough regulation

and predatory companies exploiting millions of people

But Trump undid all the regulations Obama put in place after, i mean surely they have learned their lesson now ))

i haven't read about the Federal reserves role in the crisis im afraid so i can't say anything to that

The regulations were in place to protect people form getting scammed into loans they can't afford

and here is where a libertarian would say

YOUR FAULT

but that's not a good answer

The government has no choice but to bail out the banks

if the banks fail you get a depression, and a depression always means socialism will rise

wouldn't want another new deal forced on our poor government and the corporations that sponsor it

or even worse, an actual successful revolution instead of appeasement and continuation of the cycle

allright it was nice talking to you

reform or revolution, you ask?

i believe rosa luxembourg answered that question quite well

^

Eh, it would try to

it's hard to get right apparently

you need a large international bureaucratic apparatus to deal with global issues though

perhaps even on a national scale

You need specialists and state servants that are dedicate tho, you can't run a large apparatus like that without qualified officials

the issue of corruption must be tackled effectively through control and transparency

yeah you don't want it but you NEED it

how can your thousands of little councils deal with something like global warming?

something that requires global coordination and action?

or disasters of massive scales

but that is in effect a government body, and it needs a bureaucracy to function and implement its policies

and then you have a global bureaucratic organization run by representatives again

computers cannot answer human questions and issues

those people won't be able to do all the work

they need expert advisers, bureaucrats to delegate work and research and to draft proposals

and oversee implementation

but that is extremely inefficient and disorganized

and you can't deal with urgent issues requiring immediate action well

you can't invent new processes and find and vet the right people at any given time easily

you need an institution of some sort i think

it should be controlled by the people of course

and act completely transparent

so everyone on earth just gets an email asking if they wanna come to this council to deal with a critical issue?

how do you decide who you need and who should stay home?

how do you know which people will be effective?

I really just don't see how that can work as an effective and efficient problem solving mechanism on a global scale

Global warming is the big one obviously

the depletion of natural resources by capitalism, the need to feed an overpopulated planet

the massive wealth disparty currently exsisting

Too late for what and what is a myth?

yeah but the redistribution will be a massive effort that needs to be coordinated

or people will end up suffering unnecessarly

no

its a global issue

you cant redistribute resources in the congo and call that equality

they need to come from where they are most abunant to where they are most needed in an organized, planned way

all of your councils around the world would have to work out a plan together

the damage capitalism has done will last for decades if not a century or more

I think you are not aware of just how much damage is being done to the ecosystem alone right now

Or to peoples minds

it's in an unsustainable decline and we need to stabilize it and overcome the consequences of climate change

that's fairly optimistic, capitalism is very good at making slaves

and freeing slaves takes more than to break their chains

we can mitigate the warming through control of carbon emissions still

but yes many things are already going to create huge problems

that's exactly why it will be hard to free the slaves, they didn't even know they were in chains

and then you ask them to give up some of their wealth and comfort to other people?
how would you deal with the inevetable counter-revolutions?